Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:23 pm| Matthew 7:17-18 |
| 17Even so every good tree, bringeth forth good fruit. But a corrupt tree, bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit: nor yet a bad tree can bring forth good fruit. |
| Isaiah 45:7 |
| It is I that created the light, and darkness, I make peace, and trouble: yea even I the LORD do all these things. |
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| The Hebrew word is: רע
Transliterated: ra` Strong: H7451 from 7489; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral):-- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.). H7489 רעע Strong: H7489 Transliterated: ra`a` a primitive root; properly, to spoil (literally, by breaking to pieces); figuratively, to make (or be) good for nothing, i.e. bad (physically, socially or morally):--afflict, associate selves (by mistake for 7462), break (down, in pieces), + displease, (be, bring, do) evil (doer, entreat, man), show self friendly (by mistake for 7462), do harm, (do) hurt, (behave self, deal) ill, X indeed, do mischief, punish, still, vex, (do) wicked (doer, -ly), be (deal, do) worse. |
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Here's a comparison how that the first Authorised English Bibles do not have evil in divers places, til later editions..
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The first English translation from the original tongues of the book of Job has a deep insight to all of this. http://faithofgod.net/tanak/job.htm I am the way, the verity, (the truthful) and life. (the Resurrection.) No man cometh unto the father, but by me. -Iesus Jo. 14:6 http://faithofgod.net/WTNT/matthew_7.html http://faithofgod.net/TyNT/lk.htm#24:1 |
| John 9 |
| 1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth; 2And his disciples asked him saying: Master, who did sin: this man, or his father and mother, that he was born blind? 3Jesus answered: Neither this man hath sinned, nor yet his father and mother: but that the works of God should be shewed on him. 4I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day. The night cometh, when no man can work. 5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. 6As soon as he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and rubbed the clay on the eyes of the blind, 7and said unto him: Go wash thee in the pool of Siloe (which by interpretation, signifieth sent.) He went his way and washed, and came again seeing. 8The neighbours, and they that had seen him before how that he was a beggar said: Is not this he that sat and begged? 9Some said: this is he. Other said: he is like him. He himself said: I am even he. 10They said unto him: How are thine eyes opened then? 11He answered and said: The man that is called Jesus, made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me: Go to the pool Siloe, and wash. I went and washed and received my sight. 12They said unto him: where is he? He said: I cannot tell. 13Then brought they to the pharisees, him that a little before was blind. 14( It was the Sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.) 15Then again the pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them: He put clay upon mine eyes; And I washed, and I see. 16Then said some of the pharisees: this man is not of God, because he keepeth not the Sabbath day. Other said: how can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was strife among them. 17Then spake they unto the blind again: What sayest thou of him, because he hath opened thine eyes? And he said: He is a prophet. 18 The jews did not believe of the fellow, how that he was blind, and received his sight: until they had called the father and mother of him that had received his sight. 19And they asked them saying: Is this your son, whom ye say was born blind? How doth he now see then? 20His father and mother answered them and said: we wot well that this is our son, and that he was born blind: 21But by what means he now seeth, that can we not tell or who hath opened his eyes can we not tell. He is old enough, ask him, let him answer for himself, of things that pertain to himself. 22Such words spake his father, and mother, because they feared the jews, for the jews had conspired already that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be excommunicate out of the Synagogue. 23Therefore said his father and mother: he is old enough, ask him. 24Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him: Give God the praise, we know that this man is a sinner. 25He answered and said: Whether he be a sinner or no, I cannot tell: One thing I am sure of, that I was blind, and now I see. 26Then said they to him again: What did he to thee? How opened he thine eyes? 27He answered them, I told you yer-while; And ye did not hear. Wherefore would ye hear it again? Will ye also be his disciples? 28Then rated they him, and said: Thou art his disciple. We are Moses' disciples. 29We are sure that God spake with Moses. This fellow we know not from whence he is. 30The man answered, and said unto them: this is a marvelous thing that ye wot nere whence he is, and yet hath he opened mine eyes. 31We know well enough that God heareth no sinners: But if any man be a worshipper of God: and do what his will is, him heareth he. 32Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind. 33If this man were not of God, he could have done no thing. 34They answered and said unto him: thou art altogether born in sin: and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out. 35Jesus heard that they had excommunicated him: and as soon as he had found him he said unto him: dost thou believe on the son of God? 36He answered and said: And who is it Lord, that I might believe on him? 37And Jesus said unto him: Thou hast seen him, and he it is that talketh with thee. 38And he said: Lord I believe: And worshipped him. 39Jesus said: I am come unto judgement, into this world: that they which see not, might see, and they which see might be made blind. 40And some of the pharisees which were with him, heard these words and said unto him: Are we then blind? 41Jesus said unto them, if ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say we see, therefore your sin remaineth. |
| 1 Corinthians 13:12-13 |
| 12Now we see in a glass even in a dark speaking: but then shall we see face to face. Now I know unperfectly: but then shall I know even as I am known. 13Now abideth faith, hope, and love, even these three: but the chief of these is love. |
| 1 John 3:2-3 |
| 2Dearly beloved, now are we the sons of God, and yet it hath not appear what we shall be. But we know that when it shall appear, we shall be like him. For we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him, purgeth himself, even as he is pure. |
| 2 Corinthians 3:6 |
| which hath made us able to minister the new testament, not of the letter, but of the spirit: For the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. |
| Job 2:3 |
| Then said the LORD unto Sathan: Hast thou not considered my servant Job, how that he is an innocent and virtuous man such one as feareth God, and escheweth evil, and that there is none like him in the land? But thou movedst me against him, to punish him: yet is it in vain, for he continueth still in his godlyness. |
| Luke 22:31-32 |
| 31And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired you, to sift you, as it were wheat: 32But I have prayed for thee that thy faith fail not. And when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. |
| John 5:45 |
| Suppose not, that I will accuse you to my father. There is one that accuseth you, verily Moses in whom ye trust. |
| Job 2:7-10 |
| 7So went Sathan forth from the LORD, and smote Job with marvelous sore boils, from the sole of the foot unto his crown. 8So that he sat upon the ground in the ashes, and scraped off the filth of his sores with a potsherd. 9Then said his wife unto him: Dost thou continue in thy perfectness? curse God, and die. 10But Job said unto her: Thou speakest like a foolish woman. Seeing we have received prosperity at the hand of God, wherefore should we not be content with adversity also? In all these things, did not Job sin with his lips. |
| Lamentations 3:38 |
| Out of the mouth of the most Highest goeth not evil and good? |
| Joshua 23:15-16 |
| 15And as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you: so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil until he have destroyed you from off this good land, which the LORD your God hath given you 16when ye have transgressed the appointment of the LORD your God, which he commanded you: and have gone and served strange gods, and bowed yourselves to them. Then shall the wrath of the LORD wax hot upon you, and ye shall perish quickly, from off the good land which he hath given you. |
| Proverbs 16:4 |
| The LORD doth all things for his own sake, yea and when he keepeth the ungodly for the day of wrath. |
| Jeremiah 4:6 |
| Set up the token in Sion, speed you, and make no tarrying: for I will bring a great plague, and a great destruction from the north. |
| Jeremiah 6:19 |
| Hear thou earth also: behold, I will cause a plague come upon this people, even the fruit of their own imaginations. For they have not been obedient unto my words and to my law, but abhorred them. |
| Jeremiah 18:11 |
| Speak now therefore unto whole Juda, and to them that dwell at Jerusalem: Thus sayeth the LORD: Behold, I am devising a plague for you, and am taking a thing in hand against you. Therefore let every man turn from his evil way, take upon you the thing that is good, and do right. |
| Ecclesiastes 1:13 |
| applied my mind to seek out and search for the knowledge of all things that are done under heaven. Such travail and labor hath God given to the children of men, to exercise themselves therein. |
| Amos 3:6 |
| Cry they out Alarum with the trumpet in the city, and the people not afraid? Cometh there any plague in a city without it be the LORD's doing? |
| Job 1:20-21 |
| 20Then Job stood up, and rent his clothes, shaved his head, fell down upon the ground, worshipped, 21and said: Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I turn thither again. The LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away, now blessed be the name of the LORD. |
| Job 19:25-28 |
| 25For I am sure, that my redeemer liveth, and that I shall rise out of the earth in the latter day: 26that I shall be clothed again with this skin, and see God in my flesh. 27Yea I my self shall behold him, not with other but with these same eyes. My reins are consumed within me, 28when ye say: Why do not we persecute him? We have found an occasion against him. |
| 2 Corinthians 4:3-6 |
| 3If our Gospell be yet hid, it is hid among them that are lost, 4in whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest should shine unto them the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, which is the image of God, 5for we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and preach ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6For it is God that commanded the light to shine out of darkness, which hath shined in our hearts, for to give the light of knowledge of the glorious God, in the face of Jesus Christ. |
| 1 John 1:5 |
| And this is the tidings which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. |
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| The causes that moved me to translate, I thought better that others
should imagine, then that I should rehearse them. Moreover I supposed it superfluous, for who is so blind tare why light should be shewed to them that walk in darkness, where they cannot but stumble, and where to stumble is the danger of eternal damnation, other so despiteful that he would envy any man (I speak not his brother) so necessary a thing, or so bedlam made to affirm that good is the natural cause of blindness, and deafness to proceed out of sight, and that lying should be grounded in troth and verity, and not rather seen contrary, that light destroyeth darkness, and verity reproveth all manner saying. |
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? The Scripture of God is good to teach and to improve. (2 Tim. iij. and 2 Thess. ij.) Paul speaking of Antichrist, saith, "Whom the Lord shall destroy with the spirit, or breath of his mouth;" that is, with the word of God. And (2Cor. x.) "The weapons of our war are not carnal things, (saith he) but mighty in God to cast down strongholds," and so forth; that is, to destroy high building of false doctrine. The word of God in that day whereof Paul speaketh, (1Cor. iij.) which shall declare all things, and that fire which shall try every man's work, and consume false doctrine: with that sword ought men sharply to fight, and not to rail with foolish rhymes. Let it not offend thee that some walk inordinately; let not the wickedness of Judas cause thee to despise the doctrine of his fellows. No man ought to think that Stephen was a false preacher because that Nicholas, which was chosen fellow with him (Acts vi.) to minister unto the widows, fell after into great heresies, as histories make mention. Good and evil go always together, one cannot be known without the other. {NOTE how important it is to understand the meaning of the word Good and evil in order to comprehend that statement.} |
| 1 John 4:8 |
| He that loveth not, hath not known God: for God is love. |
| Philippians 2:5-12 |
| 5Let the same mind be in you the which was in Christ Jesu: 6Which being in the shape of God, and thought it not robbery to be equal with God. 7Nevertheless he made himself of no reputation, and took on him the shape of a servant, and became like unto men, and was found in his apparel as a man. 8He humbled himself and became obedient unto the death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God hath exalted him, and given him a name above all names: 10that in the name of Jesus should every knee bow, both of things in heaven, and things in earth and things under earth, 11and that all tongues should confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord unto the praise of God the father. 12Wherefore my dearly beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not when I was present only, but now much more in mine absence, even so perform your own health with fear and trembling. |
| Revelation 12:10-11 |
| 10And I heard a loud voice saying: in heaven is now made health and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: For he is cast down which accused them before God day and night: 11And they overcame him by the blood of the lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death. |
| 1 Corinthians 10:13 |
| There hath none other temptation taken you, but such as followeth the nature of man. God is faithful, which shall not suffer you to be tempted above your strength: but shall in the midst of the temptation make a way to escape out. |
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:46 pmPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:40 pm| James 1:1-27 |
| 1James the servant of God, and of the Lord Jesus Christ, sendeth greeting to the twelve tribes which are scattered here and there. 2My brethren, count it exceeding joy when ye fall into divers temptations, 3remembering how that the trying of your faith bringeth patience: 4and let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and sound, that nothing be lacking unto you. 5If any that is among you lack wisdom, let him ask of God (which giveth to all men without doubleness, and casteth no man in the teeth:) and it shall be given him: 6but let him ask in faith, and waver not. For he that doubteth is like the waves of the sea, tossed of the wind, and carried with violence. 7Neither let that man think that he shall receive any thing of God. 8A wavering minded man is unstable in all his ways. 9Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted, 10and the rich in that he is made low. For even as the flower of the grass shall he vanish away. 11The son riseth with heat, and the grass is withered, and his flower fallen away, and the beauty of the fashion of it is perished: even so shall the rich man perish in his abundance. 12Happy is the man that endureth in temptation, for when he is tried he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13Let no man say when he is tempted that he is tempted of God: for God tempteth not unto evil: he tempteth no man: 14But every man is tempted drawn away, and enticed of his own concupiscence. 15Then when lust hath conceived, she bringeth forth sin, and sin when it is finished bringeth forth death. 16Err not my dear brethren. 17Every good gift, and every perfect gift, is from above and cometh down from the father of light, with whom is no variableness, neither is he changed unto darkness. 18Of his own will begat he us with the word of life, that we should be the first of his creatures. 19Wherefore dear brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath. 20For the wrath of man worketh not that which is righteous before God. 21Wherefore lay apart all filthiness, all superfluity of maliciousness, and receive with meekness the word that is grafted in you, which is able to save your souls: 22And see that ye be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23For if any hear the word, and do it not, he is like unto a man that beholdeth his bodily face in a glass. 24For as soon as he hath looked on himself, he goeth his way, and hath immediately forgotten what his fashion was: 25but whosoever looketh in the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein (if he be not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work) he shall be happy in his deed. 26If any man among you seem devout, and refrain not his tongue: but deceive his own heart, this man's devotion is in vain. 27Pure devotion and undefiled before God the father, is this: To visit the friendless, and widows in their adversity, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. |
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SA?TAN. The word itself, the Hebrew sa?ta?n, is simply an "adversary," and is so used in 1 Sam. 29:4; 2 Sam. 19:22; 1 Kings 5:4; 11:14, 23, 25; Num. 22:22, 32; Ps. 109:6. This original sense is still found in our Lord?s application of the name to St. Peter in Matt. 16:23. It is used as a proper name or title only four times in the Old Testament, viz. (with the article) in Job 1:6, 12; 2:1; Zech. 2:1, and (without the article) in 1 Chron. 21:1. The word devil is derived from the Greek word diabolos ("to slander"), and the term devil can refer to a greater demon in the hierarchy of Hell. At the same time, the term devil is also derived from the same Indo-European root word for deva, which roughly translates as "angel." It is easy to see how modern religions adapted the satan to mean "fallen angel". Only rationalists like Maimonides and Abraham ibn Ezra, clearly denied (devils) their existence. Their point of view eventually became the mainstream Jewish understanding. |
| Matthew 12:17-37 |
| 17to fulfil that which was spoken by Esay the prophet, which sayeth: 18Behold my son, whom I have chosen, my darling, in whom my soul hath had delight. I will put my spirit on him, and he shall shew judgement to the gentiles. 19He shall not strive, he shall not cry, neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets, 20a bruised reed, shall he not break, and flax that beginneth to burn he shall not quench, till he send forth judgement unto victory, 21and in his name shall the gentiles trust. 22Then was brought to him, one possessed with a devil which was both blind and dumb, and he healed him, insomuch that he which was blind and dumb, both spake and saw. 23And all the people were amazed, and said: Is not this the son of David? 24 When the pharisees heard that, they said: He driveth the devils no other wise out, but by the help of belzebub the chief of the devils. 25But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them. Every kingdom divided with in itself shall be desolate. Neither shall any city or household divided against itself, continue. 26So if satan cast out satan, then is he divided against him self. How shall then his kingdom endure? 27Also if I by the help of belzebub cast out devils: by whose help do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges: 28But if I cast out the devils by the spirit of God: then is the kingdom of God come on you? 29Either how can a man enter into a mighty man's house, and violently take away his goods, except he first bind the strong man, and then spoil his house? 30He that is not with me, is against me: And he that gathereth not with me, scattereth abroad. 31Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men, but the blasphemy against the holy ghost, shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the holy ghost, it shall not be forgiven him: no, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 33Either make the tree good, and his fruit good also, or else make the tree evil, and his fruit evil also. For the tree is known by his fruit. 34O generation of vipers, how can ye say well, when ye yourselves are evil? For of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. 35A good man out of the good treasure of his heart, bringeth forth good things. And an evil man out of his evil treasure, bringeth forth evil things. 36But I say unto you, that of every idle word, that men shall have spoken, they shall give accounts at the day of judgement. 37For by thy words thou shalt be justified: and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. |
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| Da 2:41 Where as thou sawest the feet and toes, part of earth and part of iron: that is a divided kingdom, which nevertheless shall have some of the iron ground mixt with it, for so much as thou hast seen the iron mixt with the clay. |
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The Greek word daemon, daemon, appears in the works of Plato and many other ancient authors, without the evil connotations apparent in the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible and in the Greek originals of the New Testament. Some say that Isaiah 14:12. "How are you fallen from heaven, O bright star [or shining one], son of the morning [or son of dawn]! how are you cut down to the ground, you who ruled the nations!" is about the "devil". Part of this is due to the fact that the term bright star or shining one is translated in Latin to lucifer, which means shining one. Now, the context of the verse and a bit of knowledge of history reviels that this is about the Babylonian empire. One of the main dieties of Babylon was "Ishtar", who was the "god" who was the morning star. Shining one, son of dawn is the morning star. The prophet was avoiding the use of the name of the not-god Ishtar. Reading verse 4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here. While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible. Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition. |
| Isaiah 14:1-23 |
| 1But the LORD will be merciful unto Jacob, and will take up Israel again, and set them in their own land. Strangers shall cleave unto them, and get them to the house of Jacob. 2They shall take the people, and carry them home with them. And the house of Israel shall have them in possession for servants and maidens in the land of the LORD. They shall take those prisoners, whose captives they had been afore: and rule those that had oppressed them. 3When the LORD now shall bring thee to rest, from the travail, fear, and hard bondage that thou wast laden with all: 4Then shalt thou use this mockage upon the king of Babylon, and say: How happeneth that the oppressor leaveth off? Is the gold tribute come to an end? 5Doubtless the LORD hath broken the staff of the ungodly, and the scepter of the lordly. 6Which when he is wroth, smiteth the people with durable strokes, and in his wonders he persecuteth them, and tameth them continually. 7And therefore the whole world is at rest and quietness, and men sing for joy. 8Yea even the fir trees and Cedars of Libanus rejoice at thy fall, saying: Now that thou art laid down, there come no more up to destroy us. 9Hell also trembleth at thy coming, all mighty men and princes of the earth, step forth before thee. All kings of the earth stand up from their seats, 10that they may all (one after another) sing and speak unto thee. Art thou wounded also as we? art thou become like unto us? 11Thy pomp and thy pride is gone down to hell: Moths shall be laid under thee, and worms shall be thy covering. 12How art thou fallen from heaven, (O Lucifer) thou fair morning child? hast thou gotten a fall even to the ground, thou that (notwithstanding) didst subdue the people? 13And yet thou thoughtest in thine heart: I will climb up into heaven, and make my seat above the stars of God, I will sit upon the glorious mount toward the North, 14I will climb up above the clouds, and will be like the highest of all. 15Yet dare I lay, that thou shalt be brought down to the deep of hell. 16They that see thee, shall narrowly look upon thee, and think in themselves, saying: Is this the man, that brought all lands in fear, and made the kingdoms afraid: 17Is this he that made the world in a manner waste, and laid the cities to the ground, which let not his prisoners go home? 18How happeneth it, that the kings of all people lie, every one at home in his own palace, with worship, 19and thou art cast out of thy grave like a wild branch: like as dead men's raiment that are shot thorow with the sword: as they that go down to the stones of the deep: as a dead corpse that is trodden under feet: 20and art not buried with them? Even because that thou hast wasted thy land, and destroyed thy people. For the generation of the wicked shall be without honour, forever. 21There shall a way be sought to destroy their children, for their fathers' wickedness: They shall not rise up again to possess the land, and fill the world full of castles and towns. 22I will stand up against them, (sayeth the LORD of Hosts) and root out the name and generation of Babylon (sayeth the LORD) 23and will give it to the Otters, and will make water puddles of it. and I will sweep them out with the besom of destruction, sayeth the LORD of Hosts. |
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do Lat. alba s. f., primeiro alvor da manh?; {morning's beginning bright light} alvorada; {birds corner at dawn, or military morning sound at the cartels} dil?culo; {aurora} vestimenta talar de pano branco com que o sacerdote cat?lico celebra alguns actos do culto; {white robe that the catholic priest uses to celebrate some cult acts} t?nica dos condenados ? forca; {tunic of the condemned by force} escler?tica; {sclerotic} casta de uva; {a kind of grape} adj. f., branca. {white} estrela de -: o planeta V?nus. {star of -: the planet Venus} |
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Strong: H7837 Transliterated: shachar from 7836; dawn (literal, figurative or adverbial):--day(-spring), early, light, morning, whence riseth. Strong: H7836 Transliterated: shachar a primitive root; properly, to dawn, i.e. (figuratively) be (up) early at any task (with the implication of earnestness); by extension, to search for (with painstaking):--(do something) betimes, enquire early, rise (seek) betimes, seek diligently) early, in the morning). הילל Strong: H1966 Transliterated: heylel from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer. Strong: H1984 Transliterated: halal a primitive root; to be clear (orig. of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence, to make a show, to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively, to celebrate; also to stultify:--(make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool(- ish, -ly), glory, give (light), be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, (sing, be worthy of) praise, rage, renowned, shine. בן Strong: H1121 Transliterated: ben from 1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like 1, 251, etc.)):--+ afflicted, age, (Ahoh-) (Ammon-) (Hachmon-) (Lev-)ite, (anoint-)ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, (Assyr-) (Babylon-) (Egypt-) (Grec-)ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant(-est), whelp, worthy, young (one), youth. ילל Strong: H3213 Transliterated: yalal a primitive root; to howl (with a wailing tone) or yell (with a boisterous one):--(make to) howl, be howling. |
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light bringing; morning star, day star, planet Venus; bringer of light; Lucifer, Satan; |
| Isaiah 51:9-16 |
| 9Wake up, wake up, and be strong: O thou arm of the LORD: wake up, like as in times past, ever and since the world began. 10Art not thou he, that hast wounded that proud lucifer, and hewn the dragon in pieces? Art not thou even he, which hast dried up the deep of the sea, which hast made plain the sea ground, that the delivered might go thorow? 11That the redeemed of the LORD, which turned again, might come with joy unto Sion, there to endure for ever? That mirth and gladness might be with them: that sorrow and woe might flee from them? 12Yea I, I am even he, that in all things giveth you consolation. What art thou then, that fearest a mortal man, the child of man, which goeth away as doeth the flour? 13And forgetest the LORD that made thee, that spread out the heavens, and laid the foundation of the earth. But thou art ever afraid for the sight of thine oppressor, which is ready to do harm: Where is the wrath of the oppressor? 14It cometh on fast, it maketh haste to appear: It shall not perish, that it should not be able to destroy, neither shall it fail for fault of nourishing. 15I am the LORD thy God, that make the sea to be still, and to rage: whose name is the LORD of Hosts. 16I shall put my word also in thy mouth, and defend thee with the turning of my hand: that thou mayest plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Sion: Thou art my people. |
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The idea that there exists anything capable of setting itself up as God's opponent would be considered overly polytheistic?you are setting up the devil to be a god or demigod.The notion of an angel having free will is alien to Judaism. Free will requires the tension created by being a soul dwelling in a body. People can have free will, angels can't. There is a debate over whether they lack the potential for free will, or whether they simply percieve reality to clearly to have any choices to make. But in any case, without the fence-straddling of the human condition, there is no free will. HaSatan acts as a servant of God, not as an opponent or even disobediant child. Angels cannot sin, they cannot fall. (Soc.Culture.Jewish NewsgroupsFrequently Asked Questions and Answers) The idea that there is a God in heaven above who fights against a god of the underworld, or hell, is not monotheism, however, it is the same duality found in other pagan faiths. |
| Job 4:18 |
| Behold there is no trust to his servants, and in his angels hath he found frowardness. |
| 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 |
| 5And though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there be gods many and lords many) 6but unto us is there one God, which is the father, of whom are all things, and we in him: and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. |
| Ephesians 6:12 |
| For we wrestle not against flesh and blood: but against rule, against power, and against worldly rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly things. |
| Matthew 12:32 |
| And whosoever speaketh a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the holy ghost, it shall not be forgiven him: no, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. |
| Mark 3:28-30 |
| 28Verily I say unto you all sins shall be forgiven unto men's children: and blasphemy, wherewith they blaspheme: 29but he that blasphemeth the holy ghost, shall never have forgiveness: but is in danger of eternal damnation. 30For they said, he had an unclean spirit. |
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Second :... He maintains that to believe in the forgiveness of sins and to embrace the mercy offered in the Gospel, is enough for salvation. Third :.... He avers that human traditions cannot bind the conscience, except where their neglect might occasion scandal. Fourth :... He denies the freedom of the will. Fifth :.... He denies that there is any purgatory. Sixth :.... He affirms that neither the virgin nor the saints pray for us in their own person. Seventh :. He asserts that neither the virgin nor the saints should be invoked by us. |
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| Ye are of God little children, and have overcome them. For greater is he that is in you, then he that is in the world. (1Jo 4:4)
He that dwelleth in you and worketh in you through faith, is greater then he which dwelleth and worketh in them through unbelief. And in his strength ye abide by your profession, and confess your Lord Jesus, how he came in the flesh and hath purged the sin of all that believe in his flesh. And through that faith ye overcome them - even in the very torments of death. So that neither their deceptions, neither their pleasures, neither their threatenings, or their torments, or the very death wherewith they slay your bodies, can prevail against you. They be of the world, and therefore they speak of the world, and the world attendeth {i.e. listens and heeds} unto them. We bee of God: and hee that knoweth God heareth us. And he that is not of God heareth us not. And hereby we know the spirit of truth and the spirite of errour. There are only two kinds of men in the world: Those who belong to God and those who belong to the devil There be and ever shall be two generations in the world: one of the devil, which naturally hearken unto the false Apostles of the devil because they speak so agreeably unto their natural complexion. And another of God, which harken unto the true Apostles of God, consenting to their doctrine. And this is a sure rule by which to judge all spirits, that we judge them to have the spirit of truth, which harken unto the true doctrine of Christ?s Apostles; and also to judge them to have the spirit of error which hearken unto worldly and devilish doctrine, abhorring the preaching of the Apostles. And see whether the pope?s doctrine be worldly or not, if pride and covetousness be worldly, ye and LECHERY, too. For what else do his doctrines consist of but benefices, promotions, dignities, bishoprics, cardinalships, vicarages, parsonages, prebends, change of bishoprics, resigning of benefices, of unions, pluralities, and that which cometh once into their hands may not leave their hands; yea, and of WHORES and CONCUBINES, and of capturing the consciences of the covetous. All that hearken to that doctrine abhor the doctrine of the Apostles, persecuting it and them that preach it?? ??.Herein appeared the love of God unto us warde, because God sent his only sonne into the world, that we should live through hym. Herein is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent hys sonne, a satisfaction for our synnes. Man?s free will decision for Christ a damnable lie If a man had once felt within his conscience the fierce wrath of God toward sinners, and the terrible and most cruel damnation that the law threatens: and then beheld with the eyes of a strong faith, the merciful favor and gracious taking away of the damnation of the law and the restoring again of life, freely offered us in Christ?s blood, he should perceive love, and so much the more, that it was showed us when we were sinners and enemies of God, Romans 5, and that with all deservings, without our endeavoring, enforcing and preparing ourselves, without all good motions, qualities and properties of our freewill. But [he loved us] when our hearts were as dead unto all good working, as the members of him whose soul is departed. This truth I will prove to stop the blasphemous mouths of our adversaries [who preach man?s freewill love of God]. I will from innumerable texts rehearse but one found in the beginning of the second chapter to the Ephesians, where Paul saith thus, Ye were dead in trespass and sin in which ye walked according to the course of the world and after the governor who ruleth in the air, the spirit that worketh in the children of unbelief, among which we also had our conversation in time past, in the lusts of our flesh and of the mind (so that the flesh and the mind were in agreement to sin, the mind consenting as well as the flesh) and were by nature the children of wrath as well as others. But God being rich in mercy, through the great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sin, hath quickened us with Christ: for by grace are ye saved: and with him hath raised us by and with him made us sit in heavenly things through Jesus Christ, for to show in time to come the exceeding riches of his grace, in kindness to usward in Jesus Christ. For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: for it is the gift of God, and commeth not of works, lest any man should boast himself. But we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works, unto which God ordained us before that we should walk in them. The text is plain. We were stone dead and without life or power to do or consent to good. Our whole nature was captive under the devil and led of his will. And we were as wicked as the devil now is (except he now sinneth against the holy ghost) and we consented unto sin with soul and body, and hated the law of God. But God of his grace only quickened us in Christ, and raised us out of that death and made us sit with Christ in heavenly things. That is, he set our hearts at rest and made us sit secure in the life of Christ?s doctrine, immoveable from the love of Christ. And finally, our second birth is God?s workmanship and creation in Christ, so that as he which is yet unmade hath no life nor power to work, neither did we until we were made again in Christ. The preaching of mercy in Christ quickened our hearts through faith, wrought by the spirit of Christ which God placed in our hearts before we were wise??. |
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Through His prophet Isaiah, God profoundly states, "I form light and create darkness, I make peace and CREATE evil; I am God, I do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7) Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.. |
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Consider this: If there were such an opponent and foe of God (Satan) as Christianity claims, don't you think God is capable of eliminating His created angel with a mere breath - or thought (anthropomorphically speaking)? If God spoke him (Satan) into existence; God could simply quit speaking and Satan would simply cease to exist. (Abraham Joshua Heschel, The Prophets, Jewish Publication Society, 1962, Philip Birnbaum, Encyclopedia of Jewish Concepts, Hebrew Publishing Company, 1991, Aryeh Kaplan, Jewish Meditation, Schocken Books, 1985.). |
| Isaiah 55:8-11 |
| 8For thus sayeth the LORD: my thoughts are not your thoughts, and your ways are not my ways, 9but as far as the heavens are higher than the earth, so far do my ways exceed yours, and my thoughts yours. 10And like as the rain and snow cometh down from heaven, and returneth not thither again, but watereth the earth, maketh it fruitful and green, that it may give corn and bread unto the sower: 11So the word also that cometh out of my mouth shall not turn again void unto me, but shall accomplish my will and prosper in the thing, whereto I sent it. |
| Mark 13:31-32 |
| 31Heaven and earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass. 32But of the day and the hour, knoweth no man: no not the angels which are in heaven: neither the son himself, save the father only. |
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In the first entrance of evil into the world, the temptation is referred only to the serpent who spoke as moved just as Balaam in Nu 22:27 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam?s anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. Nu 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? |
| Numbers 22:29-33 |
| 29And Balam said unto the Ass: because thou hast mocked me? I would that I had a sword in mine hand, that I might now kill thee. 30And the ass said unto Balam: am not I thine Ass which thou hast ridden upon since thou wast born unto this day? Was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, nay. 31And the LORD opened the eyes of Balam that he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, with his sword drawn in his hand. And he bowed himself and fell flat on his face. 32And the angel of the LORD said unto him: Wherefore smitest thou thine ass this three times? behold, I came out to resist thee, for the way is contrary unto me, 33and the ass saw me and avoided me three times: or else (had she not turned from me) I had surely slain thee and saved her alive. |
| Jude 1:11-21 |
| 11Woe be unto them, for they have followed the way of Cain, and are spilt in the error of Balaam for lucre's sake, and are cast away in the treason of Core. 12These are spots which of your kindness feast together, without fear, feeding themselves. Clouds they are without water, carried about of winds: Trees rotten in autumn, unfruitfull, twice dead, and plucked up by the roots. 13They are raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame. They are wandering stars, to whom is reserved the mist of darkness for ever. 14Enoch the seventh from Adam prophesied before of such saying: Behold, the Lord shall come with thousands of saints, 15to give judgement against all men, and to rebuke all that are ungodly among them, of all their ungodly deeds, which they have ungodly committed, and of all their cruel speakings, which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts, whose mouth's speak proud things. They have men in great reverence because of advantage. 17But ye beloved remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18how that they told you that there should be beguilers in the last time, which should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19These are makers of sects, natural, having no spirit. 20But ye dearly beloved, edify yourselves in your most wholy faith, praying in the wholy ghost, 21and keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, unto eternal life. |
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In the book of Job we find for the first time a distinct mention of "Ha-Satan," the "adversary" of Job. But it is important to remark the emphatic stress laid on the subordinate position, on the absence of all but delegated power, of all terror and all grandeur in it's character. It is especially remarkable that no power of spiritual influence, but only a power over outward circumstances, is attributed to ha-satan. The subordination and inferiority are as strongly marked as ever |
| 1 Corinthians 1:17-21 |
| 17For Christ sent me not to baptise, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should have been made of none effect. 18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness: but unto us which are saved, it is the power of God. 19For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and will cast away the understanding of the prudent. 20Where is the wise man? where is the scribe? where is the searcher of this world? Hath not God made the wisdom of this world foolishness? 21For when the world thorow wisdom knew not God, in the wisdom of God: it pleased God thorow foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. |
| 2 Corinthians 11:3-7 |
| 3But I fear lest as the serpent beguiled Eve, thorow his subtlety, even so your wits should be corrupt from the singleness that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh to you preach another Jesus than him whom we preached: or if ye receive another spirit than that which ye have received: either another gospel than that ye have received, ye might right well have been content. 5I suppose that I was not behind the chief apostles. 6Though I be rude in speaking, yet I am not so in knowledge. How be it among you we are known to the utmost what we are in all things. 7Did I therein sin, because I submitted myself, that ye might be exalted? and because I preached the gospel to you free? |
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Of the nature and original state of "Ha-Satan",nothing is revealed in Scripture. As to the time, cause, and manner of his fall Scripture again tells us nothing; but it describes to us distinctly the moral nature of the evil one. The ideal of goodness is made up of the three great moral attributes of God?love, truth, and purity or holiness; combined with that spirit which is the natural temper of the finite and dependent creature, the spirit of faith. We find, accordingly, that the opposites of these qualities are dwelt upon as the characteristics of the Ha-satan. |
| Ezekiel 28:11-19 |
| 11Moreover, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying: 12Thou son of man, make a lamentable complaint over the king of Tyre, and tell him: Thus sayeth the Lord GOD: Thou art a seal of a likeness, full of wisdom and excellent beauty. 13Thou hast been in the pleasure garden of God: thou art decked with all manner of precious stones: with Ruby, Topas, Crystal, Jacinth, Onyx, Jaspis, Sapphire, Smaragde, Carbuncle, and gold. Thy beauty and the holes that be in thee were set forth in the day of thy creation. 14Thou art a fair Cherub, stretched wide out for to cover. I have set thee upon the holy mount of God, there hast thou been, and walked among the fair glistering stones. 15From the time of thy creation thou hast been right excellent, till wickedness was found in thee. 16Because of thy great merchandise, thy heart is full of wickedness, and thou hast offended. Therefore will I cast thee from the mount of God (O thou covering Cherub) and destroy thee among the glistering stones. 17Thy heart was proud in thy fair beauty, and thorow thy beauty thou hast destroyed thy wisdom. I will cast thee down to the ground, and that in the sight of kings. 18Thou hast defiled thy Sanctuary, with the great wickedness of thy unrighteous occupying. I will bring a fire from the middest of thee, to consume thee: and will make thee to ashes, in the sight of all them that look upon thee. 19All they that have been acquainted with thee among the Heathen, shall be abashed at thee: seeing thou art so clean brought to naught, and comest no more up. |
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The indirect action of ha-satan is best discerned by an examination of the title by which it is designated in Scripture. It is called emphatically in the Hebrew sa?ta?n and is simply an "adversary," . The derivation of the word in itself implies only the endeavor to break the bonds between others and "set them at variance"; but common usage adds to this general sense the special idea of "setting at variance by slander." The subject of a test is illustrated, not only by abstract statements, but also by the record of the temptations (tests) of Adam and of our Lord. It is expressly laid down, as in James 1:13-16, that "temptation," is properly so called, "sin". Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. |
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The 'popular' image of the Devil has no Biblical basis. The belief in huge creatures/monsters inhabiting the deep was widespread throughout the ancient world. The sea serpent is a mythological and legendary marine animal that is traditionally thought to resemble an enormous snake. In the Old Testament there are several allusions to a primordial combat between God and a monstrous adversary variously named Leviathan or Rahab. At one place in the Old Testament, the Leviathan appears as a multi-headed sea serpent that is killed by God and given as food to the Hebrews in the wilderness. Certain Jewish legends consider leviathan as an androgynous dragon that seduced Eve in its male form, and Adam in its female form. In demonology a leviathan is any aquatic demon. They are great liars. Leviathans can also possess persons, being very difficult to exorcise; they try to possess every person, but especially women. Some biblical scholars considered Leviathan to represent the pre-existent forces of chaos. In Psalm 74:13-14 it says "it was You who drove back the sea with Your might, who smashed the heads of the monsters in the waters; it was You who crushed the heads of Leviathan, who left him as food for the creatures of the wilderness. (JPS edition)" God drove back the waters of the pre-existent Earth (Genesis 1:2 "the earth being unformed and void with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from God sweeping over the water-" [JPS edition]) and destroyed the chaotic marine monster Leviathan in order to shape the unformed and void Earth in his liking. DEMONIACS. This word is frequently used in the New Testament, and applied to persons suffering under the possession of a demon or evil spirit, such possession generally showing itself visibly in bodily disease or mental derangement. It has been maintained by many persons that our Lord and the evangelists, in referring to demonical possession, spoke only in accommodation to the general belief of the Jews. It is concluded that, since the symptoms of the affliction were frequently those of bodily disease (as dumbness, Matt. 9:32; blindness, Matt. 12:22; epilepsy, Mark 9:17-27), or those seen in cases of ordinary insanity (as in Matt. 8:28; Mark 5:1-5), the demoniacs were merely persons suffering under unusual diseases of body and mind. But demoniacs are frequently distinguished from those afflicted with bodily sickness, see Mark 1:32; 16:17, 18; Luke 6:17, 18; the same outward signs are sometimes referred to possession, sometimes merely to disease, comp. Matt. 4:24 with 17:15; Matt. 12:22 with Mark 7:32, etc.; the demons are represented as speaking in their own persons just like Ballam's donkey. Matt. 8:29; Mark 1:24; 5:7; Luke 4:41, etc. All these things speak of a personal power of evil. Twice our Lord distinctly connects demoniacal possession with the adversary. Luke 10:18. Lastly, the single fact recorded of the entrance of the demons at Gadara, Mark 5:10-14, into the herd of swine, and the effect which that entrance caused, is sufficient to overthrow the notion that our Lord and the evangelists do not assert or imply any objective reality of possession. We are led, therefore, to the ordinary and literal interpretation of these passages, that the subjects of the adversary, who, in the days of the Lord himself and his apostles especially, were permitted by God to exercise a direct influence over certain men. |
| Joshua 10:12-14 |
| 12Then spake Josua unto the LORD, the day when the LORD delivered the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of all Israel: Son stand thou still upon Gabaon, and thou Moon, in the valley of Aialon. 13And the sun abode, and the moon stood still, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of the righteous, how that the son abode in the midst of heaven and hasted not to go down by the space of a whole day. 14And there was no day like that, before it, or after it, that the LORD obeyed the voice of a man: and all because the LORD fought for Israel. |
| 1 Corinthians 13:12 |
| Now we see in a glass even in a dark speaking: but then shall we see face to face. Now I know unperfectly: but then shall I know even as I am known. |
| 1 John 3:2-3 |
| 2Dearly beloved, now are we the sons of God, and yet it hath not appear what we shall be. But we know that when it shall appear, we shall be like him. For we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him, purgeth himself, even as he is pure. |
| 2 Corinthians 3:6 |
| which hath made us able to minister the new testament, not of the letter, but of the spirit: For the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. |
| Luke 22:41-44 |
| 41And he gat himself from them, about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, 42saying: Father if thou wilt, withdraw this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will; But thine be fulfilled. 43And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, comforting him. 44And he was in agony, and prayed somewhat longer. And his sweat was like drops of blood, trickling down to the ground. |
| 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 |
| 20 Now is Christ risen from death, and is become the first fruits of them that slept. 21For by a man came death, and by a man came resurrection of death. 22For as by Adam all die: even so by Christ, shall all be made alive, 23and every man in his own order: The first is Christ, then they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he hath delivered up the kingdom to God the father, when he hath put down all rule, authority, and power. 25For he must rule till he have put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest, that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28When all things are subdued unto him: then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all things. |
| John 8:42-51 |
| 42Jesus said unto them: if God were your father, then would ye have loved me. For I proceeded forth and come from God. Neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not know my speech? Because ye cannot abide the hearing of my words. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father, ye will follow: He was a murderer from the beginning; And abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, then speaketh he of his own. For he is a liar, and the father thereof. 45And because I tell you the truth, therefore believe ye not me. 46Which of you can rebuke me of sin? If I say the truth, why do not ye believe me? 47He that is of God, heareth God's words. Ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. 48Then answered the jews and said unto him: Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan and hast the devil? 49Jesus answered: I have not the devil: but I honour my father, and ye have dishonored me. 50I seek not mine own praise: There is one that seeketh it and judgeth. 51Verily, verily I say unto you, if a man keep my sayings, he shall never see death. |
| Colossians 1:18 |
| And he is the head of the body, that is to wit of the congregation, he is the beginning and first begotten of the dead, that in all things he might have the preeminence. |
| Revelation 1:18 |
| and am alive, and was dead. And behold I am alive for evermore, and have the keys of hell and of death. |
| Hosea 13:14 |
| had not I defended him from the grave, and delivered him from death. O death, I will be thy death: O hell, I will be thy sting. |
| 1 Corinthians 15:55-57 |
| 55Death where is thy sting? Hell where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin. The strength of sin is the law: 57But thanks be unto God, which hath given us victory thorow our Lord Jesus Christ. |
| Isaiah 25:8 |
| As for death he shall utterly consume it. The Lord GOD shall wipe away the tears from all faces, and take away the confusion of his people thorow the whole world. For the LORD himself hath said it. |
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| Notwithstanding: God controls the world;
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 19 ? And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees? excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! 22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 24 ? The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: And using the very same language we read: Eze 26:2 Son of man, because that Tyrus hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste: Eze 26:3 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up. Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. And the PURPOSE for the destruction of Tyre: Eze 28:25 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob. 26 And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God. What are we to understand by "the devil" so often mentioned in the Bible, and, spoken of in the "third personal pronoun, singular, masculine gender"? This is the question now demanding an answer, and the demand will be met by facts which will show the impossibility of the existence of the devil of popular superstition. The theology of Christendom places the devil in juxtaposition with God. It is the polytheism of paganism in its smallest form: and the philosophy of the ancients embodied in names and forms supplied by the Bible. The doctrine of the devil has as intimate a bearing upon the truth of Christ as the doctrine of God. First, the orthodox point of view: He is the great nightmare, the great object of terror, the great fowler, with net-snare, exerting his utmost cunning and device--which are something superhuman--to entrap souls. Cruden describes him as "a most wicked angel, the implacable enemy and tempter of the human race... deadly in. his malice, surprisingly subtle possessing strength superior to ours, having a mighty number of principalities and powers under his command . . . He roves, full of rage, like a roaring lion, seeking to tempt, to betray, to destroy us, and to involve us in guilt and wickedness . . . In a word, he is an enemy to God and man, and uses his utmost endeavours to rob God of His glory, and men of their souls." Common belief assigns something like omniscience to the evil being thus described; he is regarded as universally at work. He is also believed to be, in some sense, omnipotent, achieving his behests by a power superior to nature, and certainly more successfully than God in the mutual strife for human souls. From the second point of view: No one acquainted with the teaching of the New Testament will dispute, that it is necessary to understand and believe the truth concerning Christ. James, speaking of himself, and those who were Christ's, says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word o! truth" (James 1:18). Now, this truth is styled "the word of the truth of the gospel" (Col. 1:5), "by which also ye are saved" (I Cor. 15: 2). Therefore, the gospel consists of "the kingdom of God and those things that concern our Lord Jesus Christ" (Acts 28:31), elsewhere styled, "the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ" (Acts 8:12). From this it follows, that for a man to believe the gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation (Rom. 1:16), he must believe the truth concerning Jesus Christ. In view of this, let us ponder the following testimonies :-- "For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL" (I John 3:8). "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, (Jesus) also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might DESTROY HIM THAT HAD THE POWER OF DEATH, THAT IS, THE DEVIL" (Heb.2:14). Is it possible to believe the truth concerning Christ, and be ignorant of the nature of the devil that he was expressly manifested to destroy with his works? It is unnecessary to answer the question. It is necessary to put it for the purpose of shewing that the doctrine of the devil (in whatever form the truth of the matter may be found to exist) is so far from being an unimportant matter, that it is one of the first principles of the doctrine of Christ, ignorance of which argues a fatal want of knowledge in relation to the first of divine principles. The doctrine of the devil is not an "advanced" subject, but bears upon the most elementary aspects of divine truth. Now, we make bold at once to assert that the popular doctrine of a personal devil has no foundation whatever in truth, but is the hideous conception of the heathen mind, inherited by the moderns from the mythologies of the ancients, and incorporated with Christianity by those "men of corrupt minds," who, Paul predicted, would pervert the truth, "giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils" (1 Tim. 4:1). In the first place, there are certain general principles which exclude the possibility of the devil's existence. "The wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23). "Sin entered into the world, and DEATH by sin" (Rom. 5:12). This is an eternal principle; death and sin are inseparable. "God ONLY hath immortality" (I Tim. 6:16). Therefore, the angels which kept not their first estate, were cast down to hell (the grave), and reserved under chains of darkness (the bonds of death)--(Jude 6; II Peter 2:2, 4), therefore Adam was sentenced to return to the ground (Gen. 3:19). An immortal rebel is an impossibility. With God is the fountain of life (Psalm 36:9). "In His hand is the life of every living thing" (Job12:10), and He cuts away the life that is lifted against Him; He consigns all disobedience and sin to death. Will it be suggested that God has made an exception in the case of the devil? The Bible devil is a sinner (1 John3:8): therefore the devil cannot be immortal. God is no respecter of persons, whether of men or angels. Therefore the operation of His law, which links death with sin, would destroy the devil if he were a person; "for the devil sinneth from the beginning," and must, therefore, have been mortal from the beginning. The theory of an immortal, supernatural devil, who was once an angel, has an air of plausibility and consistency about it, when not scanned too closely; but the idea of a mortal devil--who never was anything but a sinner himself---entrusted 'with a general jurisdiction over other sinners (for it is said he has the power of death and disease), for the purpose, not of dispensing the divine law, but of antagonising the Deity in His dealings with the human race--doing all he can to afflict and damn those whom Deity is represented as striving to save, is something exceedingly difficult to conceive. If this is the Bible devil, why was it necessary that Jesus should die to compass his destruction? He took part of flesh and blood, that "THROUGH DEATH he might destroy him that hath the power of death, that is, the devil" (Heb. 2:14). Why through death? If the devil is a being separate from mankind, what had the immolation of flesh and blood on Calvary to do with the process of his destruction? If he were the strong, personal, active power of evil contended for, it wanted strength, and not weakness, to put him down. It wanted "the nature of angels," and not "the seed of Abraham," to enter into a successful encounter with "the personal power of darkness." But Jesus, to destroy him, was manifested in the flesh, and submitted to death. Victory crowned his efforts, and the devil was destroyed. The doctrine of God's existence; of His creative power; of His relation to His universe, is not only implied in the appellations He appropriates to Himself, but expressly propounded. Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me. The narrative of creation exhibits the natural serpent, "more subtle than any BEAST OF THE FIELD which the Lord God had made" (Gen. 3:1), as the tempter. The creature was endowed with the gift of speech (no doubt, specially with a view to the part it had to perform in putting our first parents to the test). To suggest that the serpent was Satan in reptile form is again to go beyond the record, and enter a region where one guess or one assertion is as good as another. The idea is forbidden by the sentence which condemns the serpent to eat dust all the days of its life. Paul evidently recognised nothing beyond the serpent in the transaction. "I fear," says he, "lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty," etc. (II Cor. 11:3). Some people make a great difficulty about the serpent speaking; but surely there is as much difficulty about a serpent speaking under satanic inspiration as in one speaking by faculty divinely conferred for a purpose. If a "dumb ass, speaking with man's voice, forbad the madness" of a Balaam----(II Pet. 2:16)--why not a serpent be enabled to utter its thoughts when it was necessary to try the faithfulness of Adam and Eve? How otherwise could they be put to trial? It is commonly believed that the devil was once a powerful arch-angel, and that he was driven out of heaven on account of his pride; after which, he applied his angelic energies to oppose God in all His schemes and movements, and do as much evil as he could in the universe, being assisted in this by a host of angelic sympathisers, who were driven down to hell along with him. The case of the fallen angels is largely relied upon:.-- "If God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" (II Pet. 2:4). .. "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" (Jude 6). This is all the information we have on the subject. It is scanty and obscure, but, such as it is, it points in a very different direction and to a very different occurrence from that indicated in popular tradition. It does not tell of angels being expelled from heaven to engage in marauding expeditions against human interests and divine authority, wherever their caprice might lead them; but of disobedient angels, not necessarily in heaven, being degraded from their position, and confined in the grave against a time of judgment. It speaks of them as in custody, "in chains of darkness "--a metaphor highly expressive of the bondage of death--in which they are held and from which they will emerge, to be judged, at a time when the saints shall sit in judgment (I Cor. 6:3). Superficial believers in the Miltonic antecedents of "the Prince of Darkness," quote Rev. 12:7, in proof of them :-- "And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon, and the Dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven; and the great Dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." The things seen by John in "Revelation" were representative of events future to his time. This is evident from Rev. 4:1: "Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Hence, how absurd to quote any of his descriptions as applicable to an event alleged to have occurred before the creation of the world! |
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| 1 Peter 3:10-17 |
| 10For whoso listeth to love life, and to see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips, that they speak not guile: 11Let him eschew evil and do good: let him seek peace, and ensue it. 12For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord beholdeth them that do evil. 13Moreover who is it that will harm you if ye follow that which is good? 14Notwithstanding happy are ye if ye suffer for righteousness' sake. Nevertheless fear not though they seem terrible unto you, neither be troubled: 15but sanctify the Lord God in your hearts. Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that ye have, and that with meekness and fear: 16having a good conscience, that when they backbite you as evil doers, they may be ashamed, forasmuch as they have falsely accused your good conversation in Christ. 17It is better (if the will of God be so) that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. |
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Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 19 ? And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees? excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! 22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 24 ? The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: And using the very same language we read: Eze 26:2 Son of man, because that Tyrus hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste: Eze 26:3 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up. Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. And the PURPOSE for the destruction of Tyre: Eze 28:25 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob. 26 And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God. |
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What are we to understand by "the devil" so often mentioned in the Bible, and, spoken of in the "third personal pronoun, singular, masculine gender"? This is the question now demanding an answer, and the demand will be met by facts which will show the impossibility of the existence of the devil of popular superstition. The theology of Christendom places the devil in juxtaposition with God. |
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It is the polytheism of paganism in its smallest form: and the philosophy of the ancients embodied in names and forms supplied by the Bible. The doctrine of the devil has as intimate a bearing upon the truth of Christ as the doctrine of God. First, the orthodox point of view: He is the great nightmare, the great object of terror, the great fowler, with net-snare, exerting his utmost cunning and device--which are something superhuman--to entrap souls. Cruden describes him as "a most wicked angel, the implacable enemy and tempter of the human race... deadly in. his malice, surprisingly subtle possessing strength superior to ours, having a mighty number of principalities and powers under his command . . . He roves, full of rage, like a roaring lion, seeking to tempt, to betray, to destroy us, and to involve us in guilt and wickedness . . . In a word, he is an enemy to God and man, and uses his utmost endeavours to rob God of His glory, and men of their souls." Common belief assigns something like omniscience to the evil being thus described; he is regarded as universally at work. He is also believed to be, in some sense, omnipotent, achieving his behests by a power superior to nature, and certainly more successfully than God in the mutual strife for human souls. |
| 2 Corinthians 3:4-6 |
| 4Such trust have we thorow Christ to Godward, 5not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as it were of ourselves: but our ableness cometh of God, 6which hath made us able to minister the new testament, not of the letter, but of the spirit: For the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. |
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From the second point of view: No one acquainted with the teaching of the New Testament will dispute, that it is necessary to understand and believe the truth concerning Christ. James, speaking of himself, and those who were Christ's, says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word o! truth" (James 1:18). Now, this truth is styled "the word of the truth of the gospel" (Col. 1:5), "by which also ye are saved" (I Cor. 15: 2). Therefore, the gospel consists of "the kingdom of God and those things that concern our Lord Jesus Christ" (Acts 28:31), elsewhere styled, "the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ" (Acts 8:12). From this it follows, that for a man to believe the gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation (Rom. 1:16), he must believe the truth concerning Jesus Christ. In view of this, let us ponder the following testimonies :-- "For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL" (I John 3:8). "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, (Jesus) also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might DESTROY HIM THAT HAD THE POWER OF DEATH, THAT IS, THE DEVIL" (Heb.2:14). Is it possible to believe the truth concerning Christ, and be ignorant of the nature of the devil that he was expressly manifested to destroy with his works? It is unnecessary to answer the question. It is necessary to put it for the purpose of shewing that the doctrine of the devil (in whatever form the truth of the matter may be found to exist) is so far from being an unimportant matter, that it is one of the first principles of the doctrine of Christ, ignorance of which argues a fatal want of knowledge in relation to the first of divine principles. The doctrine of the devil is not an "advanced" subject, but bears upon the most elementary aspects of divine truth. Now, we make bold at once to assert that the popular doctrine of a personal devil has no foundation whatever in truth, but is the hideous conception of the heathen mind, inherited by the moderns from the mythologies of the ancients, and incorporated with Christianity by those "men of corrupt minds," who, Paul predicted, would pervert the truth, "giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils" (1 Tim. 4:1). In the first place, there are certain general principles which exclude the possibility of the devil's existence. "The wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23). "Sin entered into the world, and DEATH by sin" (Rom. 5:12). This is an eternal principle; death and sin are inseparable. "God ONLY hath immortality" (I Tim. 6:16). Therefore, the angels which kept not their first estate, were cast down to hell (the grave), and reserved under chains of darkness (the bonds of death)--(Jude 6; II Peter 2:2, 4), therefore Adam was sentenced to return to the ground (Gen. 3:19). An immortal rebel is an impossibility. With God is the fountain of life (Psalm 36:9). "In His hand is the life of every living thing" (Job12:10), and He cuts away the life that is lifted against Him; He consigns all disobedience and sin to death. Will it be suggested that God has made an exception in the case of the devil? The Bible devil is a sinner (1 John3:8): therefore the devil cannot be immortal. God is no respecter of persons, whether of men or angels. Therefore the operation of His law, which links death with sin, would destroy the devil if he were a person; "for the devil sinneth from the beginning," and must, therefore, have been mortal from the beginning. The theory of an immortal, supernatural devil, who was once an angel, has an air of plausibility and consistency about it, when not scanned too closely; but the idea of a mortal devil--who never was anything but a sinner himself---entrusted 'with a general jurisdiction over other sinners (for it is said he has the power of death and disease), for the purpose, not of dispensing the divine law, but of antagonising the Deity in His dealings with the human race--doing all he can to afflict and damn those whom Deity is represented as striving to save, is something exceedingly difficult to conceive. If this is the Bible devil, why was it necessary that Jesus should die to compass his destruction? He took part of flesh and blood, that "THROUGH DEATH he might destroy him that hath the power of death, that is, the devil" (Heb. 2:14). Why through death? If the devil is a being separate from mankind, what had the immolation of flesh and blood on Calvary to do with the process of his destruction? If he were the strong, personal, active power of evil contended for, it wanted strength, and not weakness, to put him down. It wanted "the nature of angels," and not "the seed of Abraham," to enter into a successful encounter with "the personal power of darkness." But Jesus, to destroy him, was manifested in the flesh, and submitted to death. Victory crowned his efforts, and the devil was destroyed. |
| Revelation 12:12 |
| Therefore rejoice heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth, and of the sea: for the devil is come down unto you which hath great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. |
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The doctrine of God's existence; of His creative power; of His relation to His universe, is not only implied in the appellations He appropriates to Himself, but expressly propounded. Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me. The narrative of creation exhibits the natural serpent, "more subtle than any BEAST OF THE FIELD which the Lord God had made" (Gen. 3:1), as the tempter. The creature was endowed with the gift of speech (no doubt, specially with a view to the part it had to perform in putting our first parents to the test). To suggest that the serpent was Satan in reptile form is again to go beyond the record, and enter a region where one guess or one assertion is as good as another. The idea is forbidden by the sentence which condemns the serpent to eat dust all the days of its life. Paul evidently recognised nothing beyond the serpent in the transaction. "I fear," says he, "lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty," etc. (II Cor. 11:3). Some people make a great difficulty about the serpent speaking; but surely there is as much difficulty about a serpent speaking under satanic inspiration as in one speaking by faculty divinely conferred for a purpose. If a "dumb ass, speaking with man's voice, forbad the madness" of a Balaam----(II Pet. 2:16)--why not a serpent be enabled to utter its thoughts when it was necessary to try the faithfulness of Adam and Eve? How otherwise could they be put to trial? It is commonly believed that the devil was once a powerful arch-angel, and that he was driven out of heaven on account of his pride; after which, he applied his angelic energies to oppose God in all His schemes and movements, and do as much evil as he could in the universe, being assisted in this by a host of angelic sympathisers, who were driven down to hell along with him. |
| 2 Corinthians 11:3-6 |
| 3But I fear lest as the serpent beguiled Eve, thorow his subtlety, even so your wits should be corrupt from the singleness that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh to you preach another Jesus than him whom we preached: or if ye receive another spirit than that which ye have received: either another gospel than that ye have received, ye might right well have been content. 5I suppose that I was not behind the chief apostles. 6Though I be rude in speaking, yet I am not so in knowledge. How be it among you we are known to the utmost what we are in all things. |
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The case of the fallen angels is largely relied upon:.-- "If God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" (II Pet. 2:4). .. "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" (Jude 6). This is all the information we have on the subject. It is scanty and obscure, but, such as it is, it points in a very different direction and to a very different occurrence from that indicated in popular tradition. It does not tell of angels being expelled from heaven to engage in marauding expeditions against human interests and divine authority, wherever their caprice might lead them; but of disobedient angels, not necessarily in heaven, being degraded from their position, and confined in the grave against a time of judgment. It speaks of them as in custody, "in chains of darkness "--a metaphor highly expressive of the bondage of death--in which they are held and from which they will emerge, to be judged, at a time when the saints shall sit in judgment (I Cor. 6:3). Superficial believers in the Miltonic antecedents of "the Prince of Darkness," quote Rev. 12:7, in proof of them :-- "And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon, and the Dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven; and the great Dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." |
| Matthew 8:14-17 |
| 14And Jesus went to Peter's house, and saw his wife's mother lying sick of a fever, 15and he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them. 16When the even was come they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils, and he cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all that were sick, 17to fulfil that which was spoken by Esay the prophet saying: he took on him our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses. |
| Luke 10:17-18 |
| 17 The seventy returned again with joy saying: Lord even the very devils are subdued to us thorow thy name. 18And he said unto them: I saw sathan, as it had been lightning, fall down from heaven. |
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The things seen by John in "Revelation" were representative of events future to his time. This is evident from Rev. 4:1: "Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Hence, how absurd to quote any of his descriptions as applicable to an event alleged to have occurred before the creation of the world! STAY TUNED....MORE TO COME! |
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Part II The classes of people who refer to Rev 12 in support of a personal devil, also quote Isaiah 14:12-15, and Ezek. 28:11-15; but these Scriptures have even less to do with the subject than Rev. 12. In both cases, if the reader will read the whole chapter he will find the personage addressed is an earthly potentate--in one case the King of Babylon, and in the other, the Prince of Tyre. No account of the existence of such an influence is exposed in God's extensive communing with His chosen nation. This is one of the strongest evidences that it is a fiction. If there is no such devil, what are we to understand by "the devil" so often mentioned in the Bible, and, spoken of in the "third personal pronoun, singular, masculine gender"? Devil, in the singular number, only occurs in the New Testament; Satan is found in both Old (4 times only) and New. This conclusion is borne out by its uses in the Hebrew Bible. The first place where it occurs is Num. 22;22 :--"And God's anger was kindled because he (Balaam) went; and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary (SATAN) against him." In this case, Satan was a holy angel. Understanding "Satan" to mean adversary in its simple and general sense, we can see how this could be; but, understanding it as the evil being of popular belief, it would be a different matter. In one or two other cases, however, they have not translated the word, but simply transferred it in its Hebrew form, unaltered, to the English version, thus mystifying the idea of the original, and giving countenance to the popular satanic theory. A notable instance of this is found in the narrative of Job's trials. "Satan" here plays a conspicuous part, and of course, the common English reader thinks of the creature variously denominated the Devil, or Lucifer. If you will substitute "the adversary" for "Satan," which is done marginally in recent editions of the Bible, he will read strictly according to the original, and escape popular theory of a devil. But who was the adversary, it may be asked, who proved such a terror to Job, against whom he exerted such power? He was not the arch-fiend, who is represented to be on the alert to catch immortal souls, and drag them into his fiery hold; for he had his eye on Job's estate and effects, and ultimately got his envious malice to take effect on Job's body. The probability is he was a powerful magnate of the time--a professed fellow of the sons of God--but an envious and despiteful malignant, who looked on Job with evil eye, and sought to effect his ruin. But, you say, what about the calamities of tempest and disease that befell Job? Was it in the power of a mortal man to control these? The answer is these were God's doings, and not the adversary's. "Thou movedst ME against him, to destroy him without cause" (chapter 2:3). This is the language in which God describes Satan's transaction in the matter. It was God who inflicted the calamities at the adversary's instigation. This is Job's view of the case: Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? "Have pity upon me, O ye my friends," says he, "THE HAND OF GOD hath touched me" (chapter 19:21). And the narrator, in concluding the book, says: "Then came there unto him all his brethren... and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil THAT THE LORD HAD BROUGHT UPON HIM" (chapter 42:11). God can delegate miraculous power even to mortal man. The three other cases in which Satan is untranslated are the following :-- "And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel" (I Chron. 21:1). With regard to the first, the adversary seems to have been God; for we read in II Sam. 24:1, "The anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and HE moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah." The angel of God was a Satan to Balaam, as we have seen, and, in this case, God proved a Satan to Israel. Moved, doubtless, by the general perversity of the people, He impelled David to a course which resulted in calamity to the nation. In the second case, "Set thou a wicked man over him, and let Satan stand at his right hand" (Psa. 109:6). it is evident that Satan (margin, an adversary) is synonymous with "wicked man" in the first half of the verse. The second part of the verse is the first part repeated in another form, as is so frequently the case in Hebrew writing, e.g., "He washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes." "Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption." On the same principle, a wicked man standing over the subject of David's imprecations, was the adversary standing at his right hand; of course, not the orthodox Satan. Thirdly, As to the case of Joshua, "And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan, even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem," etc. (Zech.3:1, 2). Joshua, the high priest, the transaction in which "Satan" appeared against him was so highly symbolical (as anyone may see by reading the first four chapters of Zechariah), that we cannot suppose Satan, the adversary, stood for an individual, but rather as the representative of the class of antagonists against whom Joshua had to contend. Ezra 4:1 Now when THE ADVERSARIES Of Judah and Benjamin heard that the children of the captivity builded the temple unto the Lord God of Israel, Isa 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and THE ADVERSARIES of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. The individual adversary seen by Zechariah, side by side with Joshua, represented this class-opposition to the work in which Joshua was engaged. |
| Zechariah 3:2 |
| And the LORD said unto Satan: The LORD reprove thee (thou Satan) yea the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem, reprove thee. Is not this a brand taken out of the fire? |
| Ezra 4:1-2 |
| 1But when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard, that the children of the captivity builded the temple unto the LORD God of Israel, 2they came to Zorobabel and to the principal fathers, and said unto them: We will build with you: for we seek the Lord your God like as ye do. And we have done sacrifice unto him, since the time that Asor Hadon the king of Assur brought us up hither. |
| Isaiah 11:13-16 |
| 13The hatred of Ephraim and the enmity of Judah shall be clean rooted out. Ephraim shall bear no evil will to Judah, and Judah shall not hate Ephraim: 14but they both together shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the West: and spoil them together that dwell toward the East. The Idumites and the Moabites shall let their hands fall, and the Ammonites shall be obedient unto them. 15The LORD also shall cleave the tongues of the Egyptian's sea, and with a mighty wind shall he lift up his hand over Nilus, and shall smite his seven streams and make men go over dry shod. 16And thus shall he make a way for his people, that remaineth from the Assirians, like as it happened to the Israelites, what time they departed out of the land of Egypt. |
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People think, if they cannot prove the existence of the devil from the Old Testament, they certainly can from the New, most abundantly. A critical consideration of the matter, however, will show that in this, they are entirely mistaken. STAY TUNED....MORE TO COME! |
| 1 Timothy 1:20 |
| Of whose number is Himeneus, and Alexander, which I have delivered unto Satan, that they might be taught not to blaspheme. |
| 1 Corinthians 5:3-5 |
| 3For I verily as absent in body, even so present in spirit, have determined already (as though I were present) of him that hath done this deed, 4in the name of our Lord Jesu Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of the Lord Jesus Christ, 5to deliver him unto Satan, for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. |
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:48 amPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:02 am| Luke 22:31-32 |
| 31And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired you, to sift you, as it were wheat: 32But I have prayed for thee that thy faith fail not. And when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. |
| 1 Peter 5:8-9 |
| 8Be sober and watch, for your adversary the devil as a roaring lion walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9whom resist steadfast in the faith, remembering that ye do but fulfil the same afflictions which are appointed to your brethren that are in the world. |
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| 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack to fulfil his promise as some men count slackness: but is patient to us ward and would have no man lost, but would receive all men to repentance. <|and will not that any man should be lost, but that every man should amend himself|> |
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:57 pmPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:52 pm| 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 |
| 20 Now is Christ risen from death, and is become the first fruits of them that slept. 21For by a man came death, and by a man came resurrection of death. 22For as by Adam all die: even so by Christ, shall all be made alive, 23and every man in his own order: The first is Christ, then they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he hath delivered up the kingdom to God the father, when he hath put down all rule, authority, and power. 25For he must rule till he have put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest, that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28When all things are subdued unto him: then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all things. |
| Psalms 8:1-9 |
| 1To the Chanter upon Githith, a Psalm of David. O LORD our governour: how wonderfull is thy name in all the world? how excellent is thy glory above the heavens. 2Out of the mouth of the very babes and sucklings, thou hast ordained praise, because of thine enemies, that thou mightest destroy the enemy and the avenger. 3For I consider thy heavens, even the work of thy fingers: the moon and the stars which thou hast made. 4Oh what is man, that thou art so mindful of him? either the son of man that thou visitest him? 5After thou hadst for a season made him lower than the angels, thou crownest him with honor and glory. 6Thou hast set him above the works of thy hands: and thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. 7All sheep and oxen, yea and the beasts of the field. 8The fowls of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever walketh thorow the ways of the sea. 9O LORD our governour, how wonderful is thy name in all the world? |
| Hebrews 2:1-18 |
| 1Wherefore we ought much more to attend unto those things which we have heard, lest we perish. 2For if the word which was spoken by angels was steadfast: and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense to reward: 3how shall we escape if we despise so great health? which at the first began to be preached of the Lord himself, and after ward was confirmed unto us ward, by them that heard it; 4God bearing witness thereto, both with signs and wonders also, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the holy ghost, according to his own will. 5He hath not unto the angels put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak: 6but one in a certain place witnessed, saying: What is man, that thou art mindful of him: other the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7After thou hadst for a season made him lower than the angels: thou crownedst him with honour and glory, and hast set him above the works of thy hands. 8Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. In that he put all things under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. 9Nevertheless we yet see not all things subdued unto him: but that Jesus which for a season was made less than the angels, we see thorow the punishment of death crowned with glory and honour: that he by the grace of God, should taste of death for all men. 10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, after that he had brought many sons unto glory, that he should make the Lord of their health perfect thorow afflictions: 11Forasmuch as he which sanctifieth, and they which are sanctified, are all of one. For which cause's sake he is not ashamed to call them brethren 12saying: I will declare thy name unto my brethren, and in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. 13And again: I will put my trust in him. And again: behold here am I and the children which God hath given me. 14Forasmuch then as the children were partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself like wise took part with them, for to put down thorow death him that had lordship over death that is to say the devil. 15And that he might deliver them which thorow fear of death all their life time were in danger of bondage. 16For he in no place taketh on him the angels: but the seed of Abraham taketh he on him. 17Wherefore in all things it became him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be merciful, and a faithful high priest in things concerning God, for to purge the people's sins. 18For in that he himself suffered, and was tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. |
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:38 pmPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:39 am| 1 John 2:21-25 |
| 21I wrote not unto you, as though ye knew not the truth: but as though ye knew it, and know also that no lie cometh of truth. 22Who is a liar: but he that denieth that Jesus is Christ? he is the antichrist that denieth the father and the son. 23Whosoever denieth the son, the same hath not the father. ([he that knowledgeth the sonne, hath the father also]) 24Let therefore abide in you that same which ye heard from the beginning. If that which ye heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the son, and in the father. 25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. |
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(Through His Word) NOTICE THE WORD "SON" IS NOT PRESENT as we previously discussed in the Papyrus Vaticanus! |
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Then why do you accuse WT of "scribal errors"? (when William Tyndale was not even a Scribe, and fabricated not any such false manuscript, but just honestly translated from manuscripts provided from different faithful sources that agreed together according to the law and testimony of many martyrs since Christ.) Furthermore, according to the law and testimony; Which witness of Luke is accurate?
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Jesu Christ was not a criminal! 2Co 5:21 for he {God} hath made him to be sin for us, which knew no sin, that we by his means should be that righteousness which before God is allowed. <aloved> Isn't there a big difference between being a criminal and innocently suffering as a criminal. Yea even one of the criminals acknowledged that fact:
? And speaking of Scribal errors, it is very ironic that in the margin of Codex Vaticanus at Heb. 1:3 there's a complaint stating: αμαθεστατε και κακε, αφες τον παλαιον, μη μεταποιει Fool and knave, can't you leave the old reading alone and not alter it! |
| Exodus 20:1-26 |
| 1And God spake all these words and said: 2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt and out of the house of bondage. 3Thou shalt have none other gods in my sight. 4Thou shalt make thee no graven image, neither any similitude that is in heaven above, either in the earth beneath, or in the water that is beneath the earth. 5See that thou neither bow thyself unto them neither serve them: for I the LORD thy God, am a jealous God, and visit the sin of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me: 6and yet shew mercy unto thousands among them that love me and keep my commandments. 7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. 8Remember the Sabbath day that thou sanctify it. 9Six days mayst thou labour and do all that thou hast to do: 10but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, in it thou shalt do no manner work: neither thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, neither thy manservant nor thy maidservant, neither thy cattle neither yet the stranger that is within thy gates. 11For in six days the LORD made both heaven and earth and the sea and all that in them is and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. 12Honour thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 13Thou shalt not kill. 14Thou shalt not break wedlock. 15Thou shalt not steal. 16Thou shalt bear no false witness against thy neighbour. 17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house: neither shalt covet thy neighbour's wife, his manservant, his maid, his ox, his ass or ought that is his. 18And all the people saw the thunder and the lightning and the noise of the horn, and how the mountain smoked. 19And when the people saw it, they removed and stood afar off and said unto Moses: talk thou with us and we will hear, but let not God talk with us, lest we die. 20And Moses said unto the people fear not, for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be among you that ye sin not. 21And the people stood afar off, and Moses went into the thick cloud where God was. 22And the LORD said unto Moses: thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel: Ye have seen how that I have talked with you from out of heaven. 23Ye shall not make therefore with me gods of silver nor gods of gold: in no wise shall ye do it. 24An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me and thereon offer thy burnt offerings and thy peace offerings, and thy sheep and thine oxen. And in all places where I shall put the remembrance of my name, thither I will come unto thee and bless thee. 25But and if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, see thou make it not of hewed stone, for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou shalt pollute it. 26Moreover thou shalt not go up with steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not shewed thereon. |
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| I would ye knew what fighting I have for your sakes and for them of Laodicia, and for as many as have not seen my person in the flesh, that their hearts might be comforted and knit together in love, and in all riches of full understanding, for to know the mystery of God the father and of Christ in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
This I say lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. --Col 2:1-4 |
| 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 |
| 5And though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there be gods many and lords many) 6but unto us is there one God, which is the father, of whom are all things, and we in him: and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. |
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| 1Co 12:1 In spiritual things brethren I would not have you ignorant.
1Co 12:2 Ye know that ye were gentiles, <|Heithen|> and went your ways unto dumb idols, even as ye were led. 1Co 12:3 Wherefore I declare unto you that no man speaking in <|thorow|> the spirit of God defieth Jesus. Also no man can say that Jesus is the Lord: but by the holy ghost. 1Co 12:4 There are diversities of gifts verily, yet but one spirit. 1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, and yet but one Lord. |
| 1 Timothy 4:1-5 |
| 1The spirit speaketh evidently that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, and shall give heed unto spirits of error, 2and devilish doctrine of them which speak false thorow hypocrisy, and have their consciences marked with an hot iron, 3forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with giving thanks, of them which believe, and know the truth, 4for all the creatures of God are good: and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God, and prayer. |
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| 1913 Noah Websters' dictionary.
\Dev"il\, n. [AS. de['o]fol, de['o]ful; akin to G. ?eufel, Goth. diaba['u]lus; all fr. L. diabolus the devil, Gr. ? the devil, the slanderer, fr. ? to slander, calumniate, orig., to throw across; ? across + ? to throw, let fall, fall; cf. Skr. gal to fall. Cf. {Diabolic}.] 1. The Evil One; Satan, represented as the tempter and spiritual of mankind. [Jesus] being forty days tempted of the devil. --Luke iv. 2. That old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world. --Rev. xii. 9. 2. An evil spirit; a demon. A dumb man possessed with a devil. --Matt. ix. 32. 3. A very wicked person; hence, any great evil. ``That devil Glendower.'' ``The devil drunkenness.'' --Shak. Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? --John vi. 70. 4. An expletive of surprise, vexation, or emphasis, or, ironically, of negation. [Low] The devil a puritan that he is, . . . but a timepleaser. --Shak. The things, we know, are neither rich nor rare, But wonder how the devil they got there. --Pope. 5. (Cookery) A dish, as a bone with the meat, broiled and excessively peppered; a grill with Cayenne pepper. Men and women busy in baking, broiling, roasting oysters, and preparing devils on the gridiron. --Sir W. Scott. 6. (Manuf.) A machine for tearing or cutting rags, cotton, etc. {Blue devils}. See under {Blue}. {Cartesian devil}. See under {Cartesian}. {Devil bird} (Zo["o]l.), one of two or more South African drongo shrikes ({Edolius retifer}, and {E. remifer}), believed by the natives to be connected with sorcery. {Devil may care}, reckless, defiant of authority; -- used adjectively. --Longfellow. {Devil's apron} (Bot.), the large kelp ({Laminaria saccharina}, and {L. longicruris}) of the Atlantic ocean, having a blackish, leathery expansion, shaped somewhat like an apron. {Devil's coachhorse}. (Zo["o]l.) (a) The black rove beetle ({Ocypus olens}). [Eng.] (b) A large, predacious, hemipterous insect ({Prionotus cristatus}); the wheel bug. [U.S.] {Devil's darning-needle}. (Zo["o]l.) See under {Darn}, v. t. {Devil's fingers}, {Devil's hand} (Zo["o]l.), the common British starfish ({Asterias rubens}); -- also applied to a sponge with stout branches. [Prov. Eng., Irish & Scot.] {Devil's riding-horse} (Zo["o]l.), the American mantis ({Mantis Carolina}). {The Devil's tattoo}, a drumming with the fingers or feet. ``Jack played the Devil's tattoo on the door with his boot heels.'' --F. Hardman (Blackw. Mag.). {Devil worship}, worship of the power of evil; -- still practiced by barbarians who believe that the good and evil forces of nature are of equal power. {Printer's devil}, the youngest apprentice in a printing office, who runs on errands, does dirty work (as washing the ink rollers and sweeping), etc. ``Without fearing the printer's devil or the sheriff's officer.'' --Macaulay. {Tasmanian devil} (Zo["o]l.), a very savage carnivorous marsupial of Tasmania ({Dasyurus, or Diabolus, ursinus}). {To play devil with}, to molest extremely; to ruin. [Low] \Dev"il\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Deviled}or {Devilled}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Deviling}or {Devilling}.] 1. To make like a devil; to invest with the character of a devil. 2. To grill with Cayenne pepper; to season highly in cooking, as with pepper. A deviled leg of turkey. --W. Irving. |
| Romans 7:14-25 |
| 14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin: 15because I wot not what I do. For what I would, that do I not: but what I hate, that do I. 16If I do now that which I would not, I grant to the law that it is good. 17So then now it is not I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18For I know that in me (that is to say in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing. To will is present with me: but I find no means to perform that which is good. 19For I do not that good thing which I would: but that evil do I, which I would not. 20Finally, if I do that I would not, then is it not I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me doeth it. 21I find then by the law that when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22I delight in the law of God, as concerning the inner man. 23But I see another law in my members rebelling against the law of my mind, and subduing me unto the law of sin, which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am: who shall deliver me from this body of death? 25I thank God by Jesus Christ our Lord: So then I myself in my mind serve the law of God, and in my flesh the law of sin. |
| Romans 8:1-8 |
| 1There is then no damnation to them which are in Christ Jesu, which walk not after the flesh: but after the spirit. 2For the law of the spirit, wherein is life thorow Jesus Christ hath delivered me from the law of sin, and death. 3For what the law could not do inasmuch as it was weak because of the flesh: that performed God, and sent his son in the similitude of sinful flesh, and by sin damned sin in the flesh: 4that the righteousness required of the law, might be fulfilled in us, which walk not after the flesh: but after the spirit. 5For they that are carnal, are carnally minded; and they that are spiritual are ghostly minded. 6To be carnally minded is death; and to be spiritually minded is life, and peace: 7because that the fleshly mind is enmity against God: For it is not obedient to the law of God, neither can be. 8So then they that are given to the flesh, cannot please God. |
| John 8:1-59 |
| 1 Jesus went unto mount olivet, 2and early in the morning came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; And he sat down, and taught them. 3 The scribes and pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in advoutry, and set her in the midst and said unto him: 4Master this woman was taken in advoutry, even as the deed was a doing. 5Moses in the law commanded us that such should be stoned: What sayest thou therefore? 6And this they said to tempt him: that they might have, whereof to accuse him. Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. 7And while they continued asking him, he lifted himself up; And said unto them: let him that is among you without sin, cast the first stone at her. 8And again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 As soon as they heard that, they went out one by one the eldest first. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10When Jesus had lifted up himself again, and saw no man, but the woman; He said unto her: Woman, where are those thine accusers? Hath no man condemned thee? 11She said: Sir no man. Jesus said: Neither do I condemn thee. Go hence and sin no more. 12Then spake Jesus again unto them saying: I am the light of the world. He that followeth me shall not walk in darkness: but shall have the light of life. 13The pharisees said unto him: thou bearest record of thyself, thy record is not true. 14Jesus answered and said unto them: And if I bear record of myself, my record is true for I know whence I come, and whither I go. Ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. 15Ye judge after the flesh, I judge no man, 16and if I judge, then is my judgement true. For I am not alone: but I and my father that sent me. 17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18I am one that bear witness of myself, and my father that sent me beareth witness of me. 19Then said they unto him: where is thy father? Jesus answered: ye neither know me, nor yet my father. If ye had known me, ye should have known my father also. 20These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple. And no man laid hands on him; For his time was not yet come. 21Then said Jesus again unto them: I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins. Whither I go thither can ye not come. 22Then spake the jews: will he kill himself, because he saith: whither I go, thither can ye not come? 23And he said unto them: ye are from beneath, I am from above. Ye are of this world, I am not of this world. 24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins. For except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25Then said they unto him, who art thou? And Jesus said unto them: Even the very same thing that I say unto you. 26I have many things to say, and to judge of you. But he that sent me is true. And I speak in the world, those things which I have heard of him. 27 They understood not that he spake of his father. 28Then said Jesus unto them: When ye have lift up on high the son of man then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; But as my father hath taught me, even so I speak. 29And he that sent me is with me. My father hath not left me alone; For I do always those things that please him. 30As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31Then said Jesus to those jews which believed on him: If ye continue in my saying, then are ye my very disciples: 32and ye shall know the truth: And the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him: We be Abraham's seed, and were never bond to any man: why sayest thou then, ye shall be made free? 34Jesus answered them: verily, verily I say unto you, that whosoever committeth sin, is the servant of sin. 35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: But the son abideth ever. 36If the son therefore shall make you free, then are ye free in deed. 37I know that ye are Abraham's seed: but ye seek means to kill me because my sayings have no place in you. 38I speak that I have seen with my father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39They answered and said unto him: Abraham is our father. Jesus said unto them. If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the deeds of Abraham. 40But now ye go about to kill me, a man that have told you the truth, which I have heard of my father. This did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they unto him: we were not born of fornication. We have one father that is God. 42Jesus said unto them: if God were your father, then would ye have loved me. For I proceeded forth and come from God. Neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not know my speech? Because ye cannot abide the hearing of my words. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father, ye will follow: He was a murderer from the beginning; And abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, then speaketh he of his own. For he is a liar, and the father thereof. 45And because I tell you the truth, therefore believe ye not me. 46Which of you can rebuke me of sin? If I say the truth, why do not ye believe me? 47He that is of God, heareth God's words. Ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. 48Then answered the jews and said unto him: Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan and hast the devil? 49Jesus answered: I have not the devil: but I honour my father, and ye have dishonored me. 50I seek not mine own praise: There is one that seeketh it and judgeth. 51Verily, verily I say unto you, if a man keep my sayings, he shall never see death. 52Then said the jews to him: Now know we that thou hast the devil. Abraham is dead, and also the prophets, and yet thou sayest: if a man keep my saying he shall never taste of death. 53Art thou greater than our father Abraham? which is dead? and the prophets are dead. Whom makest thou thyself? 54Jesus answered: If I praise myself, mine praise is nothing worth. It is my father that praiseth me, which ye say is your God. 55And yet have ye not known him: but I know him. And if I should say, I know him not, I should be a liar like unto you; But I know him, and keep his saying. 56Your father Abraham was glad to see my day, and he saw it and rejoiced. 57Then said the jews unto him: Thou art not yet fifty year old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them: Verily, verily I say unto you: yer Abraham was I am. 59Then took they up stones, to cast at him. But Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple. |
| John 8:15-16 |
| 15Ye judge after the flesh, I judge no man, 16and if I judge, then is my judgement true. For I am not alone: but I and my father that sent me. |
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| Mt 16:5 And when his disciples were come to the other side of the water, they had forgotten to take bread with them.
Mt 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them: Take heed and beware of the leaven of the pharisees, and of the sadducees. Mt 16:7 <[And]> They thought among <in> themselves saying: <[because]> we have brought no bread with us. Mt 16:8 When Jesus understood that, <|perceived it|> he said unto them. O ye of little faith, why are your minds cumbered because ye have brought no bread? Mt 16:9 Do ye not yet perceive, neither remember those five loaves, when there were five thousand men, and how many baskets took ye up? Mt 16:10 Neither the seven loaves, when there were four thousand: <iiiii. M.> and how many baskets took ye up? Mt 16:11 Why perceive ye not then, that I spake not unto you of bread, when I said, beware of the leaven of the pharisees and of the sadducees? Mt 16:12 Then understood they, how that he bade not them beware of the leaven of bread: but of the doctrine of the pharisees, and of the sadducees. Mt 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of the city which is called Cesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples saying: Whom do men say that I the son of man am? Mt 16:14 They said: Some say that thou art John baptist, some Helyas, some Jeremias, or one of the prophets. Mt 16:15 He said unto them: But whom say ye that I am? Mt 16:16 Simon Peter answered, and said: Thou art Christ the son of the living God. Mt 16:17 And Jesus answered and said to him: Happy <|Blessed|> art thou Simon the son of Jonas, for flesh and blood have <hath> not opened unto thee that, but my father which is in heaven. Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter. And upon this rock I will build my congregation: and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Mt 16:19 And I will give unto thee, the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatsoever thou bindest upon earth, it shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou loosest <lowsest> on earth, it shall be loosed <lowsed> in heaven. Mt 16:20 Then he charged his disciples, that they should tell no man, that he was Jesus Christ. Mt 16:21 From that time forth, Jesus began to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the seniors, <elders> and of the high <hye> priests, and of the scribes, and must be killed, and rise again the third day. Mt 16:22 <[But]> Peter took him aside, and began to rebuke him saying: Master favor thy self, this shall not come unto thee. Mt 16:23 Then turned he about, and said unto Peter: go <come> after me Satan, thou offendest me, because thou perceivest <favourest or savourest> not godly things: but worldly things. Mt 16:24 Jesus then said to his disciples. If any man will follow me, let him forsake himself, and take up his cross and follow me. Mt 16:25 For whosoever will save his life, shall loose it. And whosoever shall loose his life for my sake, shall find it. <loose, exact spelling; from the hebrew to open, may be also lose, or subdue> Mt 16:26 What shall it profit <|What helpeth|> a man, if <though> he should win all the whole world: so <if> he loose his own soul? <|and yet suffer harm in his soul?|> Or else what shall a man give to redeem his soul again withal? Mt 16:27 For the son of man shall come in the glory of his father, with his angels, and then shall he reward every man according to his deeds. Mt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, some there be among them that here stand, which shall not taste of death, till they shall have seen the son of man come in his kingdom. |
| Matthew 27:51-53 |
| 51And behold the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake, 52and the stones did rent, and graves did open, and the bodies of many saints which slept, arose: 53and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and came into the holy city, and appeared unto many. |
| Hebrews 10:28-31 |
| 28He that despiseth Moses' law, dieth without mercy under two or three witnesses. 29Of how much sorer punishment suppose ye shall he be counted worthy, which treadeth under foot the son of God: and counteth the blood of the testament as an unholy thing, wherewith he was sanctified, and doth dishonour to the spirit of grace. 30For we know him that hath said, vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense saith the Lord. And again: the Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. |
| Matthew 5:20 |
| For I say unto you except your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, ye cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven. |
| Hebrews 4:4-16 |
| 4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day, on this wise: And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5And in this place again: They shall not come into my rest. 6Seeing therefore it followeth that some must enter thereinto, and they to whom it was first preached, entered not therein for unbelief's sake. 7Again he appointeth in David a certain present day after so long a time, saying as it is rehearsed: this day if ye hear his voice, be not hard hearted. 8For if Josue had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remaineth therefore yet a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest doth cease from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us study therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall into such an ensample of unbelief: 12for the word of God is quick, and mighty in operation, and sharper than any two edged sword: and entereth through, even unto the dividing a sunder of the soul and the spirit and of the joints, and the mary: and judgeth the thoughts and the intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature invisible in the sight of it: but all things are naked and bare unto the eyes of him, of whom we speak. 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest which is entered into heaven (I mean Jesus the son of God) let us keep our profession. ([of our hope]) 15For we have not an high priest, which cannot have compassion on our infirmities: but was in all points tempted, in like manner: but yet without sin. 16Let us therefore go boldly unto the seat of grace, that we may receive mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. |
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| Heb 9:13 For if the blood of oxen, and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer, when it was sprinkled, purified <|halloweth|> the unclean, as touching the purifying <|purification|> of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ (which thorow the eternal spirit, offered himself without spot to God) purge our <your> consciences from dead works, for to serve the living God? |
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| Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men that they shall once die, and then cometh the judgment,
Heb 9:28 even so Christ was once offered to take away the sins of many, and unto them that look for him, shall he appear again, without sin unto their health. <salvation.> |
| Matthew 16:13-17 |
| 13When Jesus came into the coasts of the city which is called Cesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples saying: Whom do men say that I the son of man am? 14They said: Some say that thou art John baptist, some Helyas, some Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He said unto them: But whom say ye that I am? 16Simon Peter answered, and said: Thou art Christ the son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said to him: Happy art thou Simon the son of Jonas, for flesh and blood have not opened unto thee that, but my father which is in heaven. |
| Ephesians 6:11-20 |
| 11Put on the armour of God, that ye may stand steadfast against the crafty assaults of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood: but against rule, against power, and against worldly rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly things. 13For this cause take unto you the armour of God, that ye may be able to resist in the evil day, and to stand perfect in all things. 14Stand therefore and your loins gird about with verity, having on the breastplate of righteousness, 15and shod with shoes prepared by the gospel of peace. 16Above all take to you the shield of faith, wherewith ye may quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of health, and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God, 18and pray always with all manner prayer and supplication: and that in the spirit: and watch thereunto with all instance and supplication for all saints, 19and for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to utter the secrets of the gospel, 20whereof I am a messenger in bonds, that therein I may speak freely, as it becometh me to speak. |
| Romans 3:19-20 |
| 19Yea and we know that whatsoever the law saith, he saith it to them which are under the law: That all mouths may be stopped, and all the world be subdued to God, 20because that by the deeds of the law, shall no flesh be justified in the sight of God. For by the law cometh the knowledge of sin. |
| Romans 7:5-6 |
| 5 When we were in the flesh, the lusts of sin which were stirred up by the law, reigned in our members, to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now are we delivered from the law, and dead from it, whereunto we were in bondage, that we should serve in a new conversation of the spirit, and not in the old conversation of the letter. |
| Hebrews 2:13 |
| And again: I will put my trust in him. And again: behold here am I and the children which God hath given me. |
| 2 Samuel 22:2-51 |
| 2And he said: The LORD is my rock, my castle and my deliverer. 3God is my strength, and in him will I trust: my shield and the horn that defendeth me: mine high hold and refuge: O my Saviour, save me from wrong. 4I will praise and call on the LORD, and so shall be saved from mine enemies. 5For the waves of death have closed me about, and the floods of Belial have feared me. 6The cords of hell have compassed me about, and the snares of death have overtaken me. 7In my tribulation I called to the LORD, and cried to my God. And he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry entered into his ears. 8And the earth trembled and quoke, and the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was angry. 9Smoke went up out of his nostrils, and consuming fire out of his mouth, that coals were kindled of him. 10And he bowed heaven and came down, and darkness underneath his feet. 11And he rode upon Cherub and flew: and appeared upon the wings of the wind. 12And he made darkness a tabernacle round about him, with water gathered together in thick clouds. 13Of the brightness, that was before him, coals were set on fire. 14The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most high put out his voice. 15And he shot arrows and scattered them, and hurled lightning and turmoiled them. 16And the bottom of the sea appeared, and the foundations of the world were seen, by the reason of the rebuking of the LORD, and thorow the blasting of the breath of his nostrils. 17He sent from on high and fetched me, and plucked me out of mighty waters. 18He delivered me from my mighty enemy, and from them that hated me and were too strong for me. 19When they had compassed me in the day of my tribulation, the LORD stayed me up. 20And he brought me out into roomth, and delivered me, because he delighted in me. 21The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness, and according to the pureness of my hands he dealt with me. 22For I kept the ways of the LORD, and did no wickedness forsaking my God. 23But I had all his laws in my sight, and I turned my face from none of his ordinances. 24But was pure unto him ward, and kept myself from wickedness. 25And the LORD did to me again, according to my righteousness, and after my pureness that I had in his sight. 26With the holy thou shalt be holy, and with the man that is uncorrupt, thou shalt be uncorrupt. 27With the pure thou shalt be pure, and with the froward thou shalt be froward also. 28And the people that are in adversity, thou shalt help. 29And on the proud shalt thou cast thine eyes. Thou art my light, O LORD, and the LORD shall light my darkness. 30With thy help I will run thorow an Host of men, and by the aid of my God will spring over a wall. 31The way of God is undefiled, and the word of the LORD fined as gold, and he a shield to all that trust in him. 32Who is a God save the LORD, and who mighty save our God? 33God is my strength in war, and riddeth the way clear before me. 34And maketh my feet as swift as an hind's, and setteth me fast upon my high hold. 35And teacheth my hands to fight, that a bow of brass is too weak for mine arms. 36And thou hast saved me with thy shield, and keptest me ever in meekness. 37And thou madest me space to walk in, that my feet should not stumble. 38I followed mine enemies and destroyed them, and turned not again until I had consumed them. 39I wasted them and so clouted them, that they could not arise: but fell under my feet. 40And thou compassedest me about with might to battle, and madest them that rose against me to stoop under me. 41And thou madest mine enemies to turn their backs to me, and them that hated me, and I destroyed them. 42They looked for help: But none came to save them: unto the LORD they cried, but he heard them not. 43And I will beat them as small as the dust of the earth, and will stamp them as the dirt of the street, and will spread them abroad. 44And thou deliveredst me from the dissension of my people, and keepest me to be an head over nations, for the people which I knew not became my servants. 45And the aliens crouched unto me, and obeyed me at a word. 46And the aliens that shrink away shall tremble for fear in their defended places. 47The LORD live, and blessed be he that is my strength: and exalted be God the strength that saveth me. 48It is God that avengeth me, and bringeth down the people under me. 49And delivereth me from mine enemies: thou liftest me up on high from them that rise against me, and deliverest me from the wicked men. 50And therefore I will praise thee O LORD among the heathen, and will sing unto thy name. 51For thy great and manifold saving of thy king, and shewing mercy unto thine anointed, even to David, and his seed for ever. |
| Psalms 16:1 |
| Michtam of David Preserve me, (O God) for in thee do I trust. |
| Psalms 18:2 |
| The LORD is my succor, my refuge, my Savior: my God, my helper, in whom I trust: my buckler, the horn of my health, and my protection. |
| Psalms 36:7-8 |
| 7How precious is thy mercy, O God, that the children of men may put their trust under the shadow of thy wings. 8They shall be satisfied with the plenteousness of thy house, and thou shalt give them drink of the river of thy pleasures. |
| Psalms 91:2 |
| He shall say unto the LORD: O my hope, and my stronghold, my God, in whom I will trust. |
| Isaiah 12:2 |
| Behold, God is my health, in whom I trust, and am not afraid. For the LORD GOD is my strength, and my praise, he also shall be my refuge. |
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| The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, therefore can I not say nay, nor withdraw myself, but I offer my back unto the smiters, and my cheeks to the nippers. I turn not my face from shame and spitting, for the Lord GOD helpeth me, therefore shall I not be confounded. I have hardened my face like a flint stone, for I am sure, that I shall not come to confusion.
Mine advocate speaketh for me, who will then go with me to law? Let us stand one against another: if there be any that will reason with me, let him come here forth to me. Behold, the Lord GOD standeth by me, what is he that can condemn me? Lo, they shall be all like as an old cloth, which the moths shall eat up. --Isa 50:5-9 |
| Isaiah 50:5-9 |
| 5The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, therefore can I not say nay, nor withdraw myself, 6but I offer my back unto the smiters, and my cheeks to the nippers. I turn not my face from shame and spitting, 7for the Lord GOD helpeth me, therefore shall I not be confounded. I have hardened my face like a flint stone, for I am sure, that I shall not come to confusion. 8Mine advocate speaketh for me, who will then go with me to law? Let us stand one against another: if there be any that will reason with me, let him come here forth to me. 9Behold, the Lord GOD standeth by me, what is he that can condemn me? Lo, they shall be all like as an old cloth, which the moths shall eat up. |
| Isaiah 8:18 |
| But lo, as for me, and the children which the LORD hath given me: we are a token and a wonder in Israel, for the LORD of Hosts' sake, which dwelleth upon the hill of Sion. |
| Isaiah 53:10 |
| Yet hath it pleased the LORD to smite him with infirmity, that when he had made his soul an offering for sin, he might see long lasting seed. And this device of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. |
| Genesis 33:5 |
| And he lift up his eyes and saw the wives and their children, and said: what are these which thou there hast? And he said: they are the children which God hath given thy servant. |
| Genesis 48:9 |
| And Joseph said unto his father: they are my sons, which God hath given me here. And he said: bring them to me, and let me bless them. |
| Psalms 127:1-5 |
| 1The song of the stairs. Except the LORD build the house, the labour is but lost that build it. Except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain. 2It is but lost labour that ye rise up early, and take no rest, but eat the bread of carefulness: for look to whom it pleaseth him, he giveth it in sleep. 3Lo, children and the fruit of the womb are an heritage and gift, that cometh of the LORD: 4Like as the arrows in the hand of the giant, even so are the young children. 5Happy is the man, that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, when they speak with their enemies in the gate. |
| Zechariah 14:1-9 |
| 1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, that thou shalt be spoiled and robbed: 2For I will gather together all the Heathen, to fight against Jerusalem: so that the city shall be won, the houses spoiled, and the women defiled. The half of the city shall go away into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be carried out of the city. 3After that shall the LORD go forth, to fight against those Heathen, as men use to fight in the day of battle. 4Then shall his feet stand upon the mount olivete, that lieth upon the east side of Jerusalem. And the mount olivete shall cleave in two, eastward and westward, so that there shall be a great valley: and the half mount shall remove toward the north, and the other half toward the south. 5And ye shall flee unto the valley of my hills, for the valley of the hills shall reach unto Asia. Yea flee shall ye, like as ye fled for the earthquake in the days of Osiah king of Juda. And the LORD my God shall come, and all saints with him. 6In that day shall it not be light, but cold and frost. 7This shall be that special day which is known unto the LORD: neither day nor night, but about the evening time it shall be light. 8In that time shall there waters of life run out from Jerusalem: the half part of them toward the east sea, and the other half toward the uttermost sea, and shall continue both summer and winter. 9And the LORD himself shall be king over all the earth. At that time shall there be one LORD only, and his name shall be but one. |
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:36 pmPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:52 pmPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:44 am| heman wrote: |
| Graciously, I submit:
Psa 145:5 I will speak of the glorious honour of thy majesty, and of thy wondrous works... |
| Psalms 145:4-5 |
| 4One generation shall praise thy works unto another, and declare thy power. 5As for me I will be talking of thy worship, thy glory, thy praise, and wonderous works. |
| 2Sa 22:1 ? And David spake the words of this song unto the LORD, what time the LORD had delivered him out of the hands of all his enemies, and out of the hands of Saul. wrote: |
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(WT) 2 Sam 22: 2 And he said: The LORD is my rock, my castle and my deliverer. 3 God is my strength, and in him will I trust: my shield and the horn that defendeth me: mine high hold and refuge: O my Saviour, save me from wrong. 4 I will praise and call on the LORD, and so shall be saved from mine enemies. 5 For the waves of death have closed me about, and the floods of Belial have feared me. 6 The cords of hell have compassed me about, and the snares of death have overtaken me. (Heman) 2 Sam 22:2 ? And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; 3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence. 4 I will call on the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies. 5 When the waves of DEATH compassed me, the floods of ungodly men (01100) made me afraid; 6 The sorrows of THE GRAVE compassed me about; the snares of DEATH prevented me; |
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If Judas could be a devil and yet be a man (John 5:70), so why not the tempter of Jesus? The countenance is only apparent; it is all an appearance, the chief power of which lies in the fact that Bible words and pagan theories are put together and made to fit; and superficially considered, the result is striking and impressive, and highly demonstrative of a personal devil. |
| Isaiah 14:12-17 |
| 12How art thou fallen from heaven, (O Lucifer) thou fair morning child? hast thou gotten a fall even to the ground, thou that (notwithstanding) didst subdue the people? 13And yet thou thoughtest in thine heart: I will climb up into heaven, and make my seat above the stars of God, I will sit upon the glorious mount toward the North, 14I will climb up above the clouds, and will be like the highest of all. 15Yet dare I lay, that thou shalt be brought down to the deep of hell. 16They that see thee, shall narrowly look upon thee, and think in themselves, saying: Is this the man, that brought all lands in fear, and made the kingdoms afraid: 17Is this he that made the world in a manner waste, and laid the cities to the ground, which let not his prisoners go home? |
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| Isa 14:11 Already thy pomp be thrown down into hell with the sound of your viols: the moth is spread under thee, and the worms shall cover thee.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, daughter of the dawn? How hast thou been cut even to the ground, thou that hast debilitated the people. |
| Matthew 12:32-33 |
| 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the holy ghost, it shall not be forgiven him: no, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 33Either make the tree good, and his fruit good also, or else make the tree evil, and his fruit evil also. For the tree is known by his fruit. |
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It is, however, a mere juggle and a deception of the most mischievous kind. 2Co 11:14 And it is no miracle; for the adversary to change appearance himself into a messenger of light. 15 Therefore it is not great if the servants of him also be altered as the servants of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. |
| 1 John 2:27 |
| And the anointing which ye have received of him dwelleth in you. And ye need not that any man teach you: but as that anointing teacheth you all things, and is true, and is no lie: and as it taught you, even so bide therein. |
| Isaiah 14:1-32 |
| 1But the LORD will be merciful unto Jacob, and will take up Israel again, and set them in their own land. Strangers shall cleave unto them, and get them to the house of Jacob. 2They shall take the people, and carry them home with them. And the house of Israel shall have them in possession for servants and maidens in the land of the LORD. They shall take those prisoners, whose captives they had been afore: and rule those that had oppressed them. 3When the LORD now shall bring thee to rest, from the travail, fear, and hard bondage that thou wast laden with all: 4Then shalt thou use this mockage upon the king of Babylon, and say: How happeneth that the oppressor leaveth off? Is the gold tribute come to an end? 5Doubtless the LORD hath broken the staff of the ungodly, and the scepter of the lordly. 6Which when he is wroth, smiteth the people with durable strokes, and in his wonders he persecuteth them, and tameth them continually. 7And therefore the whole world is at rest and quietness, and men sing for joy. 8Yea even the fir trees and Cedars of Libanus rejoice at thy fall, saying: Now that thou art laid down, there come no more up to destroy us. 9Hell also trembleth at thy coming, all mighty men and princes of the earth, step forth before thee. All kings of the earth stand up from their seats, 10that they may all (one after another) sing and speak unto thee. Art thou wounded also as we? art thou become like unto us? 11Thy pomp and thy pride is gone down to hell: Moths shall be laid under thee, and worms shall be thy covering. 12How art thou fallen from heaven, (O Lucifer) thou fair morning child? hast thou gotten a fall even to the ground, thou that (notwithstanding) didst subdue the people? 13And yet thou thoughtest in thine heart: I will climb up into heaven, and make my seat above the stars of God, I will sit upon the glorious mount toward the North, 14I will climb up above the clouds, and will be like the highest of all. 15Yet dare I lay, that thou shalt be brought down to the deep of hell. 16They that see thee, shall narrowly look upon thee, and think in themselves, saying: Is this the man, that brought all lands in fear, and made the kingdoms afraid: 17Is this he that made the world in a manner waste, and laid the cities to the ground, which let not his prisoners go home? 18How happeneth it, that the kings of all people lie, every one at home in his own palace, with worship, 19and thou art cast out of thy grave like a wild branch: like as dead men's raiment that are shot thorow with the sword: as they that go down to the stones of the deep: as a dead corpse that is trodden under feet: 20and art not buried with them? Even because that thou hast wasted thy land, and destroyed thy people. For the generation of the wicked shall be without honour, forever. 21There shall a way be sought to destroy their children, for their fathers' wickedness: They shall not rise up again to possess the land, and fill the world full of castles and towns. 22I will stand up against them, (sayeth the LORD of Hosts) and root out the name and generation of Babylon (sayeth the LORD) 23and will give it to the Otters, and will make water puddles of it. and I will sweep them out with the besom of destruction, sayeth the LORD of Hosts. 24The LORD of Hosts hath sworn an oath, saying: It shall come to pass as I have determined: and shall be fulfilled as I have devised. 25The Assyrians shall be destroyed in my land, and upon my mountains will I tread them under foot. Where thorow his yoke shall come from you, and his burthen shall be taken from your shoulders. 26This device hath God taken thorow the whole world, and thus is his hand stretched out over all people. 27For if the LORD of Hosts determine a thing, who will disannul it? And if he stretch forth his hand, who will hold it in again? 28The same year that king Ahaz died, God threatened by Esay on this manner: 29Rejoice not (thou whole Palestina) as though the rod of him that beateth thee were broken: For out of the serpent's root, there shall wax a cockatrice, and the fruit shall be a fiery worm. 30But the poor shall feed of the best things, and the simple shall dwell in safety. Thy roots will I destroy with hunger, and it shall slay thy remnant. 31Mourn ye ports, weep ye cities, and fear thou (O whole Palestina) for there shall come from the North a smoke, whose power no man may abide. 32Who shall then maintain the messages of the Gentiles? But the LORD stablisheth Sion, and the poor of my people shall put their trust in him. |
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:34 pm| JAdmin wrote: |
| Where's the reasoning of the discussion when pick and choosing a part of the post to drag the subject off topic. As mentioned before .. the burden ought to be on you to likewise respond one point at a time; nevermind the fact that I'm who started the post to begin with in regards to the LORD and not any devil.
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WT friends well knew how to express the greatness of the LORD:
Behold the great LORD, who he is that even ordains the true worship from one generation to another!
Ironic how that Scripture can speak differently to whom God reveals it, and thus has nothing to do with how man himself can grasp it. |
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I have no doubt as saith the Scriptures, yea however God will reveal it from one generation to another.
Yea and Isaiah 14:11-12 is a great example how it was uniquely revealed in the Portuguese translatation - hinting at the Roman Catholic spell on the mass of people from whatever continent no less.)(see prior post)
Yet i have prayed to God that if it were possible, to forgive Lucifer or even her/his daughters.. nevertheless not my will, but the father's be fulfilled. |
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2Co 11:14 And it is no miracle; for the adversary is to change appearance himself into an angel (messenger) of light. |
| 1 John 2:18 |
| Little children it is the last time, and as ye have heard how the antichrist shall come: even now are there many antichrists come already, whereby we know that it is the last time. |
| 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 |
| 14And no marvel, for Satan himself is changed into the fashion of an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing, though his ministers fashion themselves as though they were the ministers of righteousness: whose end shall be according to their deeds. |
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I especially like the Greek translation for "devoted". Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be a victim devoted for destruction. |
| Galatians 1:9 |
| As I said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other thing unto you, than that ye have received, hold him accursed. |
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Now, the context of the verse and a bit of knowledge of history reveals that this is about the Babylonian empire. One of the main dieties of Babylon was "Ishtar", who was the "god" who was the morning star. Shining one, son of dawn is the morning star. The prophet was avoiding the use of the name of the not-god Ishtar. Reading verse 4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here. While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible. Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition. The idea that there exists anything capable of setting itself up as God's opponent would be considered overly polytheistic?you are setting up the devil to be a god or demigod. |
| 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 |
| 5And though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there be gods many and lords many) 6but unto us is there one God, which is the father, of whom are all things, and we in him: and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. |
| 2 Corinthians 2:9-11 |
| 9For this cause verily did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye should be obedient in all things. 10To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also. And verily if I forgive any thing, to whom I forgave it for your sakes forgave I it, in the room of Christ, 11lest Satan should prevent us. For his thoughts are not unknown unto us. |
| Daniel 10:7-14 |
| 7I Daniel alone saw this vision, the men that were with me, saw it not: but a great fearfulness fell upon them, so that they fled away, and hid themselves. 8I was left there myself alone, and saw this great vision, so long till there remained no more strength within me: Yea I lost my colour clean, I wasted away, and my strength was gone. 9Yet heard I the voice of his words: and as soon as I heard it, faintness came upon me, and I fell down flat to the ground upon my face. 10And behold an hand touched me, which set me up upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands, 11saying unto me: O Daniel, thou well beloved man: take good heed of the words, that I shall say unto thee, and stand right up, for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had said these words, I stood up trembling. 12Then said he unto me: fear not, Daniel: for why since the first day that thou set thine heart to understand, and didst chasten thyself before thy God: thy words have been heard. And I had come unto thee, when thou beganest to speak 13had not the prince over the kingdom of the Perses withstand me twenty one days. But lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, him have I left by the king of Persia, 14and am come to shew thee, what shall happen unto thy people in the latter days: For it will be long yet or the vision be fulfilled. |
| Ezekiel 28:11-19 |
| 11Moreover, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying: 12Thou son of man, make a lamentable complaint over the king of Tyre, and tell him: Thus sayeth the Lord GOD: Thou art a seal of a likeness, full of wisdom and excellent beauty. 13Thou hast been in the pleasure garden of God: thou art decked with all manner of precious stones: with Ruby, Topas, Crystal, Jacinth, Onyx, Jaspis, Sapphire, Smaragde, Carbuncle, and gold. Thy beauty and the holes that be in thee were set forth in the day of thy creation. 14Thou art a fair Cherub, stretched wide out for to cover. I have set thee upon the holy mount of God, there hast thou been, and walked among the fair glistering stones. 15From the time of thy creation thou hast been right excellent, till wickedness was found in thee. 16Because of thy great merchandise, thy heart is full of wickedness, and thou hast offended. Therefore will I cast thee from the mount of God (O thou covering Cherub) and destroy thee among the glistering stones. 17Thy heart was proud in thy fair beauty, and thorow thy beauty thou hast destroyed thy wisdom. I will cast thee down to the ground, and that in the sight of kings. 18Thou hast defiled thy Sanctuary, with the great wickedness of thy unrighteous occupying. I will bring a fire from the middest of thee, to consume thee: and will make thee to ashes, in the sight of all them that look upon thee. 19All they that have been acquainted with thee among the Heathen, shall be abashed at thee: seeing thou art so clean brought to naught, and comest no more up. |
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| Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood: but against rule, against power,(namely) and against worldly rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in(for) heavenly things. |
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(WT) 11 Moreover, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying: 12Thou son of man, make a lamentable complaint over the king of Tyre, and tell him: Thus sayeth the Lord GOD: Thou art a seal of a likeness, full of wisdom and excellent beauty. 13Thou hast been in the pleasure garden of God: thou art decked with all manner of precious stones: with Ruby, Topas, Crystal, Jacinth, Onyx, Jaspis, Sapphire, Smaragde, Carbuncle, and gold. Thy beauty and the holes that be in thee were set forth in the day of thy creation. 14Thou art a fair Cherub, stretched wide out for to cover. I have set thee upon the holy mount of God, there hast thou been, and walked among the fair glistering stones. 15From the time of thy creation thou hast been right excellent, till wickedness was found in thee. 16Because of thy great merchandise, thy heart is full of wickedness, and thou hast offended. Therefore will I cast thee from the mount of God (O thou covering Cherub) and destroy thee among the glistering stones. 17Thy heart was proud in thy fair beauty, and thorow thy beauty thou hast destroyed thy wisdom. I will cast thee down to the ground, and that in the sight of kings. 18Thou hast defiled thy Sanctuary, with the great wickedness of thy unrighteous occupying. I will bring a fire from the middest of thee, to consume thee: and will make thee to ashes, in the sight of all them that look upon thee. 19All they that have been acquainted with thee among the Heathen, shall be abashed at thee: seeing thou art so clean brought to naught, and comest no more up. The LORD starts saying "Thou art a seal of a likeness, full of wisdom and excellent beauty." How much bolder a hint to note that it's more than only the King of Tyre that's being compared |
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:52 am| heman wrote: |
| Sorry, it should have read like this without the typo;
2Co 11:14 And it is no miracle; for the adversary to change appearance himself into a messenger (angel) of light. I especially like the Greek translation for a victim "devoted" for destruction ,if you preach anything other than what the gospel teaches. In other words you are already ?marked? and labeled for destruction if you follow that path. IT IS THE SAME IN VERSE 9. Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be a victim devoted for destruction. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be a victim devoted for destruction.. |
| Psalms 111:10 |
| The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all they that do thereafter: the praise of it endureth for ever. |
| 2 Peter 3:9-18 |
| 9The Lord is not slack to fulfil his promise as some men count slackness: but is patient to us ward and would have no man lost, but would receive all men to repentance. 10Nevertheless the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which day, the heavens shall perish with terrible noise, and the elements shall melt with heat, and the earth with the works that are therein shall burn. 11If all these things shall perish, what manner persons ought ye to be in holy conversation, and godliness: 12looking for, and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, in which the heavens shall perish with fire, and the elements shall be consumed with heat. 13Nevertheless we look for a new heaven, and a new earth, according to his promise, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14Wherefore dearly beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot and undefiled: 15And suppose that the long suffering of the Lord is health, even as our dearly beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given unto him, wrote to you, 16yea, almost in every pistel speaking of such things: among which are many things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned, and unstable pervert, as they do other scriptures unto their own destruction. 17Ye therefore beloved seeing ye are warned; Beware lest ye be also plucked away with the error of the wicked, and own steadfastness: 18but grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord, and saviour Jesus Christ. To whom be glory both now and for ever, Amen. Here endeth the second epistle of saint Peter |
| Heman wrote: | ||||
The obvious is sometimes difficult to see when it is directly in front of you. 1. The City of Tyrus is described as a "perfect beauty"in 27:1-5, else your devil (THEY) are also shipbuilders. 2. The prince of Tyrus is addressed in 28:1-9 3. The the king of Tyrus is addressed in 28:11-15 4. The History of Zidon is a wittness to the facts! KJV-Ezek 27: 1 ? The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, 2 Now, thou son of man, take up a lamentation for Tyrus; 3 And say unto Tyrus, O thou that art situate at the entry of the sea, which art a merchant of the people for many isles, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O Tyrus, thou hast said, I am of perfect beauty. 4 Thy borders are in the midst of the seas, thy builders have perfected thy beauty. 5 They have made all thy ship boards of fir trees of Senir: they have taken cedars from Lebanon to make masts for thee WHAT? do we have a city that talks and devils that make ships from the Cedars of Lebanon? |
| Daniel 10:7-14 |
| 7I Daniel alone saw this vision, the men that were with me, saw it not: but a great fearfulness fell upon them, so that they fled away, and hid themselves. 8I was left there myself alone, and saw this great vision, so long till there remained no more strength within me: Yea I lost my colour clean, I wasted away, and my strength was gone. 9Yet heard I the voice of his words: and as soon as I heard it, faintness came upon me, and I fell down flat to the ground upon my face. 10And behold an hand touched me, which set me up upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands, 11saying unto me: O Daniel, thou well beloved man: take good heed of the words, that I shall say unto thee, and stand right up, for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had said these words, I stood up trembling. 12Then said he unto me: fear not, Daniel: for why since the first day that thou set thine heart to understand, and didst chasten thyself before thy God: thy words have been heard. And I had come unto thee, when thou beganest to speak 13had not the prince over the kingdom of the Perses withstand me twenty one days. But lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, him have I left by the king of Persia, 14and am come to shew thee, what shall happen unto thy people in the latter days: For it will be long yet or the vision be fulfilled. |
| 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 |
| 20 Now is Christ risen from death, and is become the first fruits of them that slept. 21For by a man came death, and by a man came resurrection of death. 22For as by Adam all die: even so by Christ, shall all be made alive, 23and every man in his own order: The first is Christ, then they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he hath delivered up the kingdom to God the father, when he hath put down all rule, authority, and power. 25For he must rule till he have put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest, that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28When all things are subdued unto him: then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all things. |
| Hebrews 2:1-17 |
| 1Wherefore we ought much more to attend unto those things which we have heard, lest we perish. 2For if the word which was spoken by angels was steadfast: and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense to reward: 3how shall we escape if we despise so great health? which at the first began to be preached of the Lord himself, and after ward was confirmed unto us ward, by them that heard it; 4God bearing witness thereto, both with signs and wonders also, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the holy ghost, according to his own will. 5He hath not unto the angels put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak: 6but one in a certain place witnessed, saying: What is man, that thou art mindful of him: other the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7After thou hadst for a season made him lower than the angels: thou crownedst him with honour and glory, and hast set him above the works of thy hands. 8Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. In that he put all things under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. 9Nevertheless we yet see not all things subdued unto him: but that Jesus which for a season was made less than the angels, we see thorow the punishment of death crowned with glory and honour: that he by the grace of God, should taste of death for all men. 10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, after that he had brought many sons unto glory, that he should make the Lord of their health perfect thorow afflictions: 11Forasmuch as he which sanctifieth, and they which are sanctified, are all of one. For which cause's sake he is not ashamed to call them brethren 12saying: I will declare thy name unto my brethren, and in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. 13And again: I will put my trust in him. And again: behold here am I and the children which God hath given me. 14Forasmuch then as the children were partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself like wise took part with them, for to put down thorow death him that had lordship over death that is to say the devil. 15And that he might deliver them which thorow fear of death all their life time were in danger of bondage. 16For he in no place taketh on him the angels: but the seed of Abraham taketh he on him. 17Wherefore in all things it became him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be merciful, and a faithful high priest in things concerning God, for to purge the people's sins. |
| Ephesians 6:12 |
| For we wrestle not against flesh and blood: but against rule, against power, and against worldly rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly things. |
| Romans 8:28 |
| For we know well that all things work for the best unto them that love God, which also are called of purpose. |
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:09 pm| Quote: |
| Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. |
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:44 pm| Revelation 2:1-7 |
| 1Unto the angel of the congregation of Ephesus write: These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, and walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks. 2I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not forbear them which are evil: and examinedst them which say they are apostles, and are not: and hast found them liars. 3And hast suffered, and hast patience: and for my name's sake hast laboured and hast not fainted. 4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, for thou hast left thy first love. 5Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works. Or else I will come unto thee shortly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6But this thou hast because thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which deeds I also hate. 7Let him that hath ears hear, what the spirit saith unto the congregations. To him that overcometh, will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. |
| James 4:1-17 |
| 1From whence cometh war, and fighting among you? come they not here hence? even of your voluptuousness that raineth in your members. 2Ye lust, and have not. Ye envy and have indignation, and cannot come by it. Ye fight and war, and have not, because ye ask not. 3Ye ask and have not, because ye ask amiss, for to consume it upon your voluptuousness. 4Ye advoutrers, and women that break matrimony: know ye not how that the friendship of the world is enmity to Godward? Whosoever will be friend of the world, is made the enemy of God. 5Do ye suppose that the scripture saith in vain: The spirit that dwelleth in you, lusteth even contrary to envy: 6but giveth more grace. ([wherefore he sayeth: God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the lowly.]) 7Submit yourselves to God, and resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands ye sinners, and purge your hearts ye wavering minded. 9Suffer afflictions: sorrow ye and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10Cast down yourselves before the Lord, and he shall lift you up. 11Backbite not one another, brethren. He that backbiteth his brother, and he that judgeth his brother, backbiteth the law, and judgeth the law: but and if thou judge the law, thou art not an observer of the law: but a judge. 12There is one law giver, ([and judge]) which is able to save and to destroy. What art thou that judgest another man? 13Go to now ye that say: today and tomorrow let us go into such a city and continue there a year and buy, and sell, and win: 14and yet cannot tell what shall happen tomorrow. For what thing is your life? it is even a vapor that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away: 15For that ye ought to say: if the Lord will and if we live, let us do this or that. 16But now ye rejoice in your boastings. All such rejoicing is evil. 17Therefore to him that knoweth how to do good, and doth it not, it is sin. |
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:07 am| JAdmin wrote: | ||||
| And though I could prophesy, and understood all secrets, and all knowledge: yea, if I had all faith so that I could move mountains out of their places, and yet had no love, I were nothing. -1Co. 13:2
Yea.. What is your first love?
On my every post i try my utmost to acknowledge it.. otherwise (if I didn't) that to me really is a sin.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:46 am| heman wrote: |
| My first love is the fulfilling of the commandments!
Mr 12: 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Matt 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. And I must say that I can feel your love as your thoughts are always on the Love of Christ. |
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