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#1: take heed & beware - be not deceived Author: JAdmin PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:43 am
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Matthew 16:1-12
1Then came to him the pharisees with the sadducees also, and did tempt him, desiring that he would shew them some sign from heaven.  2He answered and said unto them: At even ye say, we shall have fair weather, and that because the sky is red:  3 In the morning: ye say, today shall be foul weather, and that because the sky is tremulous and red. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the fashion of the sky: and can ye not discern the signs of the times?  4The froward nation, and advoutrous, seeketh a sign: there shall none other sign be given unto them, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. So left he them and departed.  5And when his disciples were come to the other side of the water, they had forgotten to take bread with them.  6Then Jesus said unto them: Take heed and beware of the leaven of the pharisees, and of the sadducees.  7 They thought among themselves saying: we have brought no bread with us.  8When Jesus understood that, he said unto them. O ye of little faith, why are your minds cumbered because ye have brought no bread?  9Do ye not yet perceive, neither remember those five loaves, when there were five thousand men, and how many baskets took ye up?  10Neither the seven loaves, when there were four thousand: and how many baskets took ye up?  11Why perceive ye not then, that I spake not unto you of bread, when I said, beware of the leaven of the pharisees and of the sadducees?  12Then understood they, how that he bade not them beware of the leaven of bread: but of the doctrine of the pharisees, and of the sadducees.  


Matthew 24:4-5
4And Jesus answered, and said unto them: take heed that no man deceive you;  5For many shall come in my name saying: I am Christ: and shall deceive many.  


Mark 4:24-25
24And he said unto them: take heed what ye hear. With what measure ye mete, with the same shall it be measured unto you again. And unto you that have shall more be given.  25For unto him that hath, shall it be given: And unto him that hath not, shall be taken away, even that he hath.  


Mark 8:10-26
10And anon he took ship with his disciples, and came into the parts of Dalmanutha.  11And the pharisees came forth, and began to dispute with him, and sought of him a sign from heaven tempting him,  12and he sighed in his spirit and said: why doth this generation seek a sign? Verily I say unto you, there shall no sign be given unto this generation.  13And he left them and went into the ship again, and departed over the water.   14And they had forgotten to take bread with them, neither had they in the ship with them more than one loaf.  15And he charged them saying: take heed, beware of the leaven of the pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.  16And they reasoned among themselves saying: we have no bread.  17And when Jesus knew that he said unto them: why take ye thought because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? Have ye your hearts yet blinded?  18Have ye eyes and see not? and have ye ears and hear not? Do ye not remember?  19When I brake five loaves among five thousand men: How many baskets full of broken meat took ye up? They said unto him, twelve.  20When I brake seven among four thousand how many baskets of the leavings of broken meat took ye up? They said, seven.  21And he said unto them: how is it that ye understand not?  22And he came to Bethsaida, and they brought a blind man unto him and desired him, to touch him.  23And he caught the blind by the hand, and led him out of the town, and spat in his eyes and put his hands upon him, and asked him if he saw anything,  24and he looked up and said: I see men; For I see them walk as they were trees.  25After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him see. And he was restored to his sight, and saw every man clearly.  26And he sent him home to his own house saying: neither go into the town, nor tell it any in the town.  


Mark 12:38-40
38And he said unto them in his doctrine: beware of the scribes which love to go in long, clothing: and love salutations in the market places,  39and the chief seats in the synagogues, and to sit in the uppermost rooms at feasts,  40and devour widows' houses, and under a colour pray long prayers. These shall have greater damnation.  


Mark 13:5-6
5And Jesus answered them, and began to say: take heed lest any man deceive you.  6For many shall come in my name saying: I am Christ, and shall deceive many.  


Luke 12:1-5
1As there gathered together an innumerable multitude of people (insomuch that they trod one another) he began to say unto his disciples: First of all beware of the leaven of the pharisees, which is hypocrisy.  2For there is nothing covered, that shall not be uncovered: neither hid, that shall not be known.  3Wherefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness: that same shall be heard in light. And that which ye have spoken in the ear, even in secret places, shall be preached even on the top of the houses.  4I say unto you my friends: fear ye not them that kill the body, and after that have nothing that he can more do.  5 I will shew you, whom ye shall fear. Fear him which after he hath killed, hath power to cast into hell. Yea I say unto you, him fear.  


Luke 12:15
Wherefore he said unto them: take heed, and beware of covetousness. For no man's life standeth in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.


Luke 20:46-47
46beware of the scribes, which desire to go in long clothing: and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and chief rooms at feasts,  47which devour widows' houses, and pray long under a colour: The same shall receive greater damnation.  


Luke 21:8
And he said: take heed, that ye be not deceived. For many will come in my name, saying of themselves, I am he. And the time draweth near. Follow ye not them therefore.


Luke 21:34
Take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be overcome, with surfeiting and drunkenness, and cares of this world: and that, that day come on you unawares.


Romans 12:6
Seeing that we have divers gifts according to the grace that is given unto us, if any man have the gift of prophecy, let him have it that it be agreeing unto the faith.


1 Corinthians 3:10
According to the grace of God given unto me, as a wise builder have I laid the foundation, another hath built thereon: but let every man take heed how he buildeth upon.


1 Corinthians 8:9
But take heed that your liberty cause not the weak to fall.


1 Corinthians 10:1-26
1Brethren I would not that ye should be ignorant of this, how that our fathers were all under a cloud, and all passed thorow the sea,  2and were all baptised under Moses in the cloud and in the sea:  3and did all eat of one spiritual meat,  4and did all drink of one manner of spiritual drink. And they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, which rock was Christ.  5But in many of them had God no delight. For they were overthrown in the wilderness.  6These are examples to us that we should not lust after evil things, as they lusted.  7Neither be ye worshippers of images as were some of them according as it is written: The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up again to play.  8Neither let us commit fornication as some of them committed fornication, and were destroyed in one day twenty three thousand.  9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them tempted and were destroyed of serpents.  10Neither murmur ye as some of them murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.  11All these things happened upon them for ensamples, and were written to put us in remembrance, whom the ends of the world are come upon.  12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth, take heed lest he fall.  13There hath none other temptation taken you, but such as followeth the nature of man. God is faithful, which shall not suffer you to be tempted above your strength: but shall in the midst of the temptation make a way to escape out.  14Wherefore my dear beloved, flee from worshipping of idols.  15I speak as unto them which have discretion, judge ye what I say.  16Is not the cup of blessing which we bless, partaking of the blood of Christ? is not the bread which we break, partaking of the body of Christ?  17because that we (though we be many) yet are one bread, and one body inasmuch as we all are partakers of one bread. ([and of one cup])  18Behold Israel which walketh carnally. Are not they which eat of the sacrifice, partakers of the altar?  19What say I then? that the image is anything? or that it which is offered to images is anything?  20Nay, but I say, that those things which the gentiles offer, they offer to devils, and not to God. And I would not that ye should have fellowship with the devils.  21Ye cannot drink of the cup of the Lord, and of the cup of the devils. Ye can not be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.  22Other shall we provoke the Lord? other are we stronger than he?  23All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient. All things are lawful, but all things edify not.  24Let no man seek his own profit: but let every man seek his neighbors wealth.  25Whatsoever is sold in the market, that eat, and ask no questions for conscience sake.  26For the earth is the Lord's, and all that therein is.  


Galatians 5:15-23
15If ye bite and devour one another: take heed lest ye be consumed one of another.  16I say walk in the spirit, and fulfil not the lusts of the flesh.  17For the flesh lusteth contrary to the spirit, and the spirit contrary to the flesh. These are contrary one to the other, so that ye cannot do that which ye would.  18But and if ye be led of the spirit, then are ye not under the law.  19The deeds of the flesh are manifest, which are these, advoutry, fornication, uncleanness, wantonness,  20idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, lawing, zeal, wrath, strife, sedition, part takings,  21envying, murder, drunkenness, gluttony, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have told you in time past, that they which commit such things shall not be inheritors of the kingdom of God:  22but the fruit of the spirit is, love, joy, peace, longsuffering gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, temperancy:   23Against such there is no law.  


Colossians 2:8-23
8Beware lest any man come and spoil you thorow philosophy and deceitful vanity, thorow the traditions of men, and ordinances after the world, and not after Christ.  9For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,  10and ye are full in him, which is the head of all rule and power,  11in whom also ye are circumcised with circumcision made without hands, by putting off the sinful body off the flesh, thorow the circumcision that is in Christ,  12in that ye are buried with him thorow baptism, in whom ye are also risen again thorow faith, that is wrought by the operation of God which raised him from death.  13And hath with him quickened you also which were dead in sin in the uncircumcision of your flesh, and hath forgiven our trespasses,  14and hath put out the obligation that was against us, made in the law written, and that hath he taken out of the way, and hath fastened it on his cross,  15and hath spoiled rule and power, and hath made a shew of them openly, and hath triumphed over them in his own person.  16Let no man therefore trouble your consciences about meat and drink: or for a piece of an holyday, as the holyday of the new moon or of the Sabbath day,  17which are nothing but shadows of things to come: but the body is in Christ.  18Let no man make you shoot at a wrong mark, which after his own imagination walketh in the humbleness and holiness of angels, things which he never saw: causeless puffed up with his fleshly mind,  19and holdeth not the head, whereof all the body by joints and couples receiveth nourishment, and is knit together, and increaseth with the increasing that cometh of God.  20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from doctrine of the world: Why as though ye yet lived in the world, are ye led with traditions of them that say?  21Touch not; Taste not; Handle not:  22which all perish with the using of them, and are after the commandments, and doctrines of men:  23which things have the similitude of wisdom in chosen holiness, and humbleness, and in that they spare not the body, and do the flesh no worship unto his need.  


Philippians 3:2-3
2Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers. Beware of dissension:  3For we are circumcision which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesu, and have no confidence in the flesh:  


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1Jo 5:21 Babes keep yourselves from images. <Little children beware of images> Amen.


2 Peter 1:19-21
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto if ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, ye do well, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your hearts.  20So that ye first know this, that no prophecy in the scripture hath any private interpretation.  21For the scripture came never by the will of man: but wholy men of God spake as they were moved by the wholy ghost.  


Hebrews 8:1-7
1Of the things which we have spoken, this is the pith: that we have such an high priest that is sitten on the right hand of the seat of majesty in heaven,  2and is a minister of wholy things, and of the very tabernacle, which God pight, and not man.  3For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity, that this man have some what also to offer.  4For he were not a priest, if he were on the earth where are priests that according to the law offer gifts,  5which priests serve unto the ensample and shadow of heavenly things: even as the answer of God was given unto Moses when he was about to finish the tabernacle: For take heed (said he) that thou make all things according to the patron shewed to thee in the mount.  6Now hath he obtained a more excellent office, inasmuch as he is the mediator of a better testament, which was made for better promises.  7For if that first testament had been such a one that no man could have found fault with it: then should no place have been sought for the second.  


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Romans 8:28
For we know well that all things work for the best unto them that love God, which also are called of purpose.


Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived, God is not mocked. For whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he reap.


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9Do ye not remember how that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived. For neither fornicators, neither worshippers of images, neither whoremongers, neither weaklings, neither abusers of themselves with mankind,  10neither thieves, neither the covetous, neither drunkards, neither cursed speakers, neither pillers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.  11And such were ye verily: but ye are washed: ye are sanctified: ye are justified by the name of the Lord Jesus: And by the spirit of our God.  


1 Corinthians 15:33
Be not deceived: malicious speakings corrupt good manners.


1 John 4:1-4
1Dearly beloved believe not every spirit: but prove the spirits whether they are of God, or no: for many false prophets are gone out in to the world.  2Hereby shall ye know the spirit of God. Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God.  3And every spirit which confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is not of God. And this is that spirit of antichrist, of whom ye have heard, how that he should come: and even now already is he in the world.  4Little children, ye are of God, and have overcome them: for greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.  


2 Peter 3:8-13
8Dearly beloved be not ignorant of this one thing, how that one day is with the Lord, as a thousand year, and a thousand year as one day.  9The Lord is not slack to fulfil his promise as some men count slackness: but is patient to us ward and would have no man lost, but would receive all men to repentance.  10Nevertheless the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which day, the heavens shall perish with terrible noise, and the elements shall melt with heat, and the earth with the works that are therein shall burn.  11If all these things shall perish, what manner persons ought ye to be in holy conversation, and godliness:  12looking for, and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, in which the heavens shall perish with fire, and the elements shall be consumed with heat.  13Nevertheless we look for a new heaven, and a new earth, according to his promise, wherein dwelleth righteousness.  


2 Corinthians 13:8
We can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.


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#2: Re: take heed & beware Author: hemanLocation: Joplin, MO, USA PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:43 pm
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Matthew 16:1-12
1Then came to him the pharisees with the sadducees also, and did tempt him, desiring that he would shew them some sign from heaven.  2He answered and said unto them: At even ye say, we shall have fair weather, and that because the sky is red:  3 In the morning: ye say, today shall be foul weather, and that because the sky is tremulous and red. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the fashion of the sky: and can ye not discern the signs of the times?  4The froward nation, and advoutrous, seeketh a sign: there shall none other sign be given unto them, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. So left he them and departed.  5And when his disciples were come to the other side of the water, they had forgotten to take bread with them.  6Then Jesus said unto them: Take heed and beware of the leaven of the pharisees, and of the sadducees.  7 They thought among themselves saying: we have brought no bread with us.  8When Jesus understood that, he said unto them. O ye of little faith, why are your minds cumbered because ye have brought no bread?  9Do ye not yet perceive, neither remember those five loaves, when there were five thousand men, and how many baskets took ye up?  10Neither the seven loaves, when there were four thousand: and how many baskets took ye up?  11Why perceive ye not then, that I spake not unto you of bread, when I said, beware of the leaven of the pharisees and of the sadducees?  12Then understood they, how that he bade not them beware of the leaven of bread: but of the doctrine of the pharisees, and of the sadducees.  


Matthew 24:4-5
4And Jesus answered, and said unto them: take heed that no man deceive you;  5For many shall come in my name saying: I am Christ: and shall deceive many.  


Mark 4:24-25
24And he said unto them: take heed what ye hear. With what measure ye mete, with the same shall it be measured unto you again. And unto you that have shall more be given.  25For unto him that hath, shall it be given: And unto him that hath not, shall be taken away, even that he hath.  


Mark 8:10-26
10And anon he took ship with his disciples, and came into the parts of Dalmanutha.  11And the pharisees came forth, and began to dispute with him, and sought of him a sign from heaven tempting him,  12and he sighed in his spirit and said: why doth this generation seek a sign? Verily I say unto you, there shall no sign be given unto this generation.  13And he left them and went into the ship again, and departed over the water.   14And they had forgotten to take bread with them, neither had they in the ship with them more than one loaf.  15And he charged them saying: take heed, beware of the leaven of the pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.  16And they reasoned among themselves saying: we have no bread.  17And when Jesus knew that he said unto them: why take ye thought because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? Have ye your hearts yet blinded?  18Have ye eyes and see not? and have ye ears and hear not? Do ye not remember?  19When I brake five loaves among five thousand men: How many baskets full of broken meat took ye up? They said unto him, twelve.  20When I brake seven among four thousand how many baskets of the leavings of broken meat took ye up? They said, seven.  21And he said unto them: how is it that ye understand not?  22And he came to Bethsaida, and they brought a blind man unto him and desired him, to touch him.  23And he caught the blind by the hand, and led him out of the town, and spat in his eyes and put his hands upon him, and asked him if he saw anything,  24and he looked up and said: I see men; For I see them walk as they were trees.  25After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him see. And he was restored to his sight, and saw every man clearly.  26And he sent him home to his own house saying: neither go into the town, nor tell it any in the town.  


Mark 12:38-40
38And he said unto them in his doctrine: beware of the scribes which love to go in long, clothing: and love salutations in the market places,  39and the chief seats in the synagogues, and to sit in the uppermost rooms at feasts,  40and devour widows' houses, and under a colour pray long prayers. These shall have greater damnation.  


Mark 13:5-6
5And Jesus answered them, and began to say: take heed lest any man deceive you.  6For many shall come in my name saying: I am Christ, and shall deceive many.  


Luke 12:1-5
1As there gathered together an innumerable multitude of people (insomuch that they trod one another) he began to say unto his disciples: First of all beware of the leaven of the pharisees, which is hypocrisy.  2For there is nothing covered, that shall not be uncovered: neither hid, that shall not be known.  3Wherefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness: that same shall be heard in light. And that which ye have spoken in the ear, even in secret places, shall be preached even on the top of the houses.  4I say unto you my friends: fear ye not them that kill the body, and after that have nothing that he can more do.  5 I will shew you, whom ye shall fear. Fear him which after he hath killed, hath power to cast into hell. Yea I say unto you, him fear.  


Luke 12:15
Wherefore he said unto them: take heed, and beware of covetousness. For no man's life standeth in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.


Luke 20:46-47
46beware of the scribes, which desire to go in long clothing: and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and chief rooms at feasts,  47which devour widows' houses, and pray long under a colour: The same shall receive greater damnation.  


Luke 21:8
And he said: take heed, that ye be not deceived. For many will come in my name, saying of themselves, I am he. And the time draweth near. Follow ye not them therefore.


Romans 12:6
Seeing that we have divers gifts according to the grace that is given unto us, if any man have the gift of prophecy, let him have it that it be agreeing unto the faith.


1 Corinthians 3:10
According to the grace of God given unto me, as a wise builder have I laid the foundation, another hath built thereon: but let every man take heed how he buildeth upon.


1 Corinthians 8:9
But take heed that your liberty cause not the weak to fall.


1 Corinthians 10:1-26
1Brethren I would not that ye should be ignorant of this, how that our fathers were all under a cloud, and all passed thorow the sea,  2and were all baptised under Moses in the cloud and in the sea:  3and did all eat of one spiritual meat,  4and did all drink of one manner of spiritual drink. And they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, which rock was Christ.  5But in many of them had God no delight. For they were overthrown in the wilderness.  6These are examples to us that we should not lust after evil things, as they lusted.  7Neither be ye worshippers of images as were some of them according as it is written: The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up again to play.  8Neither let us commit fornication as some of them committed fornication, and were destroyed in one day twenty three thousand.  9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them tempted and were destroyed of serpents.  10Neither murmur ye as some of them murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.  11All these things happened upon them for ensamples, and were written to put us in remembrance, whom the ends of the world are come upon.  12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth, take heed lest he fall.  13There hath none other temptation taken you, but such as followeth the nature of man. God is faithful, which shall not suffer you to be tempted above your strength: but shall in the midst of the temptation make a way to escape out.  14Wherefore my dear beloved, flee from worshipping of idols.  15I speak as unto them which have discretion, judge ye what I say.  16Is not the cup of blessing which we bless, partaking of the blood of Christ? is not the bread which we break, partaking of the body of Christ?  17because that we (though we be many) yet are one bread, and one body inasmuch as we all are partakers of one bread. ([and of one cup])  18Behold Israel which walketh carnally. Are not they which eat of the sacrifice, partakers of the altar?  19What say I then? that the image is anything? or that it which is offered to images is anything?  20Nay, but I say, that those things which the gentiles offer, they offer to devils, and not to God. And I would not that ye should have fellowship with the devils.  21Ye cannot drink of the cup of the Lord, and of the cup of the devils. Ye can not be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.  22Other shall we provoke the Lord? other are we stronger than he?  23All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient. All things are lawful, but all things edify not.  24Let no man seek his own profit: but let every man seek his neighbors wealth.  25Whatsoever is sold in the market, that eat, and ask no questions for conscience sake.  26For the earth is the Lord's, and all that therein is.  

1 Corinthians 10:1-26
1 Brethren I would not that ye should be ignorant of this, how that our fathers were all under a cloud, and all passed thorow the sea, 2 and were all dipped into Moses in the cloud and in the sea: 3 and did all eat the same spiritual food, 4 and did all drink the same spiritual drink. And they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, which rock was Christ. 5 But in the greater number of them God was not well-pleased. For they laid prostrate in the desert. 6 These are impressions to us that we should not desire wickedly , as they desired. 7 Neither be ye idolaters as were some of them as it is written: The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8 Neither let us commit harlotry as some of them committed harlotry, and fell in one day twenty three thousand. 9 Neither let us test the Lord, as some of them tested and were destroyed by the serpents. 10 Neither murmur ye as some of them murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11 All these things happened upon them as models, and were written for our admonition, whom the ends of the eons are come to a conclusion. 12 So that him that thinketh he standeth, take care lest he fall. 13 There hath none other test taken you, if not belonging to a human. God is trustworthy, which shall not allow you to be tested above your ability: but will make of the test also the way out. 14 Wherefore my beloved, flee from idolitry. 15 I speak as to wise men, judge ye what I say. 16 Is not the cup of blessing which we bless, not a communion of the blood of Christ? is not the bread loaf we break, not a communion of the body of Christ? 17because that we though we be many yet are one bread loaf, and one body inasmuch as we all are partakers of one bread loaf. 18 Behold Israel which walketh according to flesh. Are not they which eat of the sacrifice, partakers of the altar? 19 What say I then? that the isacrifice to idols is anything? or that an idol is anything? 20 But I say, that those which sacrifice to demons, and not to God. And I would not that ye should be partners with the demons. 21 Ye cannot drink of the cup of the Lord, and of the cup of demons. Ye can not be partakers of the Lord's table, and a table of demons. 22 Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Not are we stronger than he? 23 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not beneficial. All things are allowed, but all things do not build up. 24 Let no one seek his own self: but that of the other. 25Whatsoever is sold in the market, that eat, and ask no questions for conscience sake. 26For the earth is the Lord's, and fullness of her.
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Galatians 5:15-23
15If ye bite and devour one another: take heed lest ye be consumed one of another.  16I say walk in the spirit, and fulfil not the lusts of the flesh.  17For the flesh lusteth contrary to the spirit, and the spirit contrary to the flesh. These are contrary one to the other, so that ye cannot do that which ye would.  18But and if ye be led of the spirit, then are ye not under the law.  19The deeds of the flesh are manifest, which are these, advoutry, fornication, uncleanness, wantonness,  20idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, lawing, zeal, wrath, strife, sedition, part takings,  21envying, murder, drunkenness, gluttony, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have told you in time past, that they which commit such things shall not be inheritors of the kingdom of God:  22but the fruit of the spirit is, love, joy, peace, longsuffering gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, temperancy:   23Against such there is no law.  

Galatians 5:15-25
15 If ye bite and devour one another: take care lest ye be consumed by each other. 16 I say walk by the spirit, and fulfil not the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires contrary to the spirit, and the spirit contrary to the flesh. These are opposed one to the other, so that ye cannot do that which ye wish. 18 But and if ye be led of the spirit, then are ye not under the law. 19 The works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, fornication, uncleanness, wantonness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, quarrels, jealousy, resentments, brawlings, sedition, sects, 21 envying, drunkenness, revelling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have said before, that they which practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God: 22 but the fruit of the spirit is, love, joy, peace, forebearance kindness, goodness, fidelity, meekness, self-control: 23 Against such there is no law. 24 But those of the Anointed have crucified the passions and desires of the flesh. 25 If we live by the spirit, we should also walk by the spirit.
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Colossians 2:8-23
8Beware lest any man come and spoil you thorow philosophy and deceitful vanity, thorow the traditions of men, and ordinances after the world, and not after Christ.  9For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,  10and ye are full in him, which is the head of all rule and power,  11in whom also ye are circumcised with circumcision made without hands, by putting off the sinful body off the flesh, thorow the circumcision that is in Christ,  12in that ye are buried with him thorow baptism, in whom ye are also risen again thorow faith, that is wrought by the operation of God which raised him from death.  13And hath with him quickened you also which were dead in sin in the uncircumcision of your flesh, and hath forgiven our trespasses,  14and hath put out the obligation that was against us, made in the law written, and that hath he taken out of the way, and hath fastened it on his cross,  15and hath spoiled rule and power, and hath made a shew of them openly, and hath triumphed over them in his own person.  16Let no man therefore trouble your consciences about meat and drink: or for a piece of an holyday, as the holyday of the new moon or of the Sabbath day,  17which are nothing but shadows of things to come: but the body is in Christ.  18Let no man make you shoot at a wrong mark, which after his own imagination walketh in the humbleness and holiness of angels, things which he never saw: causeless puffed up with his fleshly mind,  19and holdeth not the head, whereof all the body by joints and couples receiveth nourishment, and is knit together, and increaseth with the increasing that cometh of God.  20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from doctrine of the world: Why as though ye yet lived in the world, are ye led with traditions of them that say?  21Touch not; Taste not; Handle not:  22which all perish with the using of them, and are after the commandments, and doctrines of men:  23which things have the similitude of wisdom in chosen holiness, and humbleness, and in that they spare not the body, and do the flesh no worship unto his need.  

Colossians 2:8-23
8 See you no one make a prey by means of philosophy and empty deceit, according to tradition of men, and according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him dwell all the fullness of the deity bodily, 10 and ye are filled by who is the head of all government and authority, 11 in whom also ye are circumcised with circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, thorow the circumcision of the Christ, 12 in that ye are buried with him of that one by the dipping, in whom ye are also rised thorow faith, of the strong working of God which raised him out of dead ones. 13 And hath with him made alive you also which were dead in faults in the uncircumcision of your flesh, and hath freely forgiven all our faults, 14 and hath blotted out that which was contrary, made in the law written, and that hath he removed, and hath nailed to the cross, 15 and hath stripped off the government and authorities, and hath made a shew of them publically, and hath triumphed over them in it. 16 Let no one therefore judge your consciences in food or in drink: or or for respect of a feast, or a new moon or of the Sabbath, 17 which are a shadow of things about to come: but the body of the Christ. 18 Let no one deprive you of the prize, which after his own wishing by humility and religious worship of angels, things which he has seen: causeless puffed up with his fleshly mind, 19 and holdeth not the head, whereof all the body by joints and ligaments being served and compacted, and increaseth with the growth of God. 20 If ye died with Christ from the elements of the world: Why as though ye yet lived in the world, do you impose ordinances on yourselves? 21 Touch not; Taste not; Handle not: 22 which is all for corruption with the using of them, according to the command, and teachings of men: 23 which ordinances have the wordy show of wisdom in self devised worship and humility, by a non-indulgence of the body, not of any honor.
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Philippians 3:2-3
2Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers. Beware of dissension:  3For we are circumcision which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesu, and have no confidence in the flesh:  


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1Jo 5:21 Babes keep yourselves from images. <Little children beware of images> Amen.


2 Peter 1:19-21
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto if ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, ye do well, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your hearts.  20So that ye first know this, that no prophecy in the scripture hath any private interpretation.  21For the scripture came never by the will of man: but wholy men of God spake as they were moved by the wholy ghost.  


Hebrews 8:1-7
1Of the things which we have spoken, this is the pith: that we have such an high priest that is sitten on the right hand of the seat of majesty in heaven,  2and is a minister of wholy things, and of the very tabernacle, which God pight, and not man.  3For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity, that this man have some what also to offer.  4For he were not a priest, if he were on the earth where are priests that according to the law offer gifts,  5which priests serve unto the ensample and shadow of heavenly things: even as the answer of God was given unto Moses when he was about to finish the tabernacle: For take heed (said he) that thou make all things according to the patron shewed to thee in the mount.  6Now hath he obtained a more excellent office, inasmuch as he is the mediator of a better testament, which was made for better promises.  7For if that first testament had been such a one that no man could have found fault with it: then should no place have been sought for the second.  


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Mark 12:38-40
38And he said unto them in his doctrine: beware of the scribes which love to go in long, clothing: and love salutations in the market places, 39and the chief seats in the synagogues, and to sit in the uppermost rooms at feasts, 40and devour widows' houses, and under a colour pray long prayers. These shall have greater damnation.

Eze 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.

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Mark 13:5-6
5And Jesus answered them, and began to say: take heed lest any man deceive you. 6For many shall come in my name saying: I am Christ, and shall deceive many.

1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
2Co 2:11 Lest the adversary should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
Luke 12:1-5
1 As there gathered together a myraid of crowds insomuch that they tred one another he began to say unto his disciples: First of all take heed of the leaven of the pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be uncovered: and secret, that shall not be known. 3 Wherefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness: in the light shall be heard. And that which ye have spoken in the ear, in the closets, shall be published even on the top of the houses. 4 I say unto you my friends: Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have nothing more that he can do. 5 I will point out, whom ye shall fear. Fear him which after he hath killed, hath authority to cast into the gehenna (grave). Yea I say unto you, this fear.

1 Pet 5:8
Be sober, be watchful, because your opponent, an accuser as a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may gulp down, 9 To whom be you opposed, stedfast in the faith, knowing the same kinds of sufferings to be fully endured by us and by the brotherhood in the world.

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Luke 21:8

And he said: take heed, that ye be not deceived. For many will come in my name, saying of themselves, I am he. And the time draweth near. Follow ye not them therefore.


Romans 12:6
Seeing that we have divers gifts according to the grace that is given unto us, if any man have the gift of prophecy, let him have it that it be agreeing unto the faith.
2 Peter 1:19-21
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto if ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, ye do well, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your hearts. 20So that ye first know this, that no prophecy in the scripture hath any private interpretation. 21For the scripture came never by the will of man: but wholy men of God spake as they were moved by the wholy ghost.

#3: must be spiritually discerned Author: JAdmin PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:31 pm
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Only when spiritually discerned as a holy whole is when the Scriptures will bring to remembrance it's verity. Thus I perceive that is how the true God (who is not partial and no respector of persons) brings it about. Yea, even without the need of worldily greek or what have you.

Heman wrote:
1 Brethren I would not that ye should be ignorant of this, how that our fathers were all under a cloud, and all passed thorow the sea, 2 and were all dipped into Moses in the cloud and in the sea: 3 and did all eat the same spiritual food, 4 and did all drink the same spiritual drink. And they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, which rock was the Christ.


Even to my shame, it comes to shew how one can imagine to be baptized or "dipped into" Moses or any "church" of men or organization, when the spiritual will acknowledge (even according to the whole passage) that it was Christ in Moses (with the people under him) and not "into" anything other than Christ.

Thus the correlation of First Corinthians 10:1-5 is even evidence how William Tyndale and fellow martyrs John Rogers and Thomas Cranmer (acknowledging Scripture as a whole) were inspired when they kept the passage:
Matthew's Bible 1537 wrote:

(As it went in the olde testament, so shal it do in the new) BRETHREN I would not that ye should be ignoraunte of this, howe that oure fathers were all under a cloude, and al passed thorowe the sea, and were all baptysed under Moyses, (See Exo. 13) in the cloude, and in the sea: and dyd al eate of one spyrytual meate, and dyd al drincke of one maner of spyrytual drincke. (See Exod. 17, Nume 20, Nu. 26, Exo.32, Num. 25, Num.21) And they drancke of that spyrytuall rocke that folowed them, which rocke was Christe. But in manie of them had God no delite. For they were ouerthrowen in the wyldernes.

The Great Bible 1539 wrote:

Brethren, I wolde not that ye shulde be ignoraunt, howe that our fathers were all under the cloude, and all passed thorowe the see, and were all baptysed under Moses (Exo. 13) in the cloude and (Exo.24) in the see: and (Exo. 16) dyd all eate of one spirituall meate and (Exo.17 Num.20) dyd all dryncke of one maner of spirituall dryncke. And they drancke of that spirituall rocke that folowed them, (Mat.16) whych rocke was Chryst. But in many of them had God no delyte: For (Num. 14) they were ouerthrowen in the wyldernes.


For thus saith the Lord:
Suppose not, <Do not think> that I will accuse you to my father. There is one that accuseth you, verily <even> Moses in whom ye trust. -Jo 5:45

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Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel (when he strove against the devil, and disputed the body of Moses) durst not give railing sentence, but said: The Lord rebuke thee.
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not. In those <|And what|> things which they know naturally (as beasts which are without reason) they corrupt themselves. <In those things which they know they corrupt them selves.>
Jude 1:11 Woe be unto them, for they have followed the way of Cain, and are spilt in <[utterly given to]> the error of Balaam for lucre's sake, and are cast away <|and perish|> in the treason of Core.
Jude 1:12 These are spots which of your kindness feast together, without fear, feeding themselves. Clouds they are without water, carried about of winds: Trees rotten in autumn, unfruitfull, <and trees without fruit at gathering time> twice dead, and plucked up by the roots. <rotes>
Jude 1:13 They are raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame. They are wandering stars, to whom is reserved the mist of darkness for ever.
Jude 1:14 Enoch the seventh from Adam prophesied before of such saying: Behold, the Lord shall come with thousands of saints,
Jude 1:15 to give judgement against all men, and to rebuke all that are ungodly among them, of all their ungodly deeds, which they have ungodly committed, and of all their cruel speakings, which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts, whose mouth's speak proud things. They have men in great reverence because of advantage.


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Ga 2:3 Also Titus which was with me, though he were a greek, yet was not compelled to be circumcised,
Ga 2:4 and that because of incomers being false brethren, which came in among others to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage.
Ga 2:5 To whom we gave no room, no not for the space of an hour, as concerning to be brought into subjection: and that because that the truth of the gospel <gospell> might continue with you.


1 Timothy 1:15-17
15This is a true saying, and by all means worthy to be received, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief:  16Notwithstanding unto me was mercy given, that Jesus Christ should first shew on me all long patience, unto the ensample of them which shall in time to come believe on him unto eternal life.  17So then unto God, King everlasting, immortal, invisible, and wise only, be honour and praise for ever and ever Amen.  


2 Corinthians 13:7-8
7I desire before God that ye do none evil, not that we should seem commendable: but that ye should do, that which is honest: and let us be counted as lewd persons.  8We can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.  



Heman wrote:
Eze 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.


Yea:
Ezekiel 22:24-31
24Thou son of man, tell her: Thou art an unclean land, which is not rained upon in the day of the cruel wrath:  25thy Prophets that are in thee, are sworn together to devour souls, like as a roaring Lion, that liveth by his prey. They receive riches and good, and make many widows in thee.  26Thy priests break my law, and defile my Sanctuary. They put no difference between the holy and unholy, neither discern between the clean and unclean: they turn their eyes from my Sabbaths, and I am unhallowed among them.  27Thy rulers in thee are like ravishing wolves, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, for their own covetous lucre.  28As for thy Prophets, they daub with untempered clay, they see vanities, and prophesy lies unto thee, saying: the Lord GOD sayeth so, where as the LORD hath not spoken.  29The people in the land useth wicked extortion and robbery. They vex the poor and needy and oppress the stranger against right.  30And I sought in the land for a man, that would make up the hedge, and set himself in the gap before me in the lands behalf, that I should not utterly destroy it: but I could find none.  31Therefore will I poured out my cruel displeasure upon them, and burn them in the fire of my wrath: their own ways will I recompense upon their heads, sayeth the Lord GOD.   


Yea, may the true rulers, presidents, governors, senators, and representatives of the people and for the people beware and take heed that if there be a conspiracy, it will just come down to as King David proclaimed:
Psalms 2
1Why do the heathen grudge? Why do the people imagine vain things?  2The kings of the earth stand up, and the rulers are come together, against the LORD, and against his anointed.  3Let us break their bonds asunder, and cast away their yoke from us.  4Nevertheless he that dwelleth in heaven, shall laugh them to scorn: yea even the Lord himself shall have them in derision.  5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.  6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Sion.  7As for me, I will preach the law, whereof the LORD hath said unto me: Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.  8Desire of me, and I shall give thee the Heathen for thine inheritance; Yea the uttermost parts of the world for thy possession.  9Thou shalt rule them with a rod of iron, and break them in pieces like an earthen vessel.  10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings, be warned, ye that are judges of the earth.  11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice before him with reverence.  12Kiss the Son, lest the Lord be angry, and so ye perish from the right way. For his wrath shall be kindled shortly: blessed are all they that put their trust in him.    



Notwithstanding, God is very merciful (yea even starting with me) and according to his wholy Scriptures all Israel shall be saved only when the fullness of the gentiles be come in; and whosoever will tempt to take such judgement upon themselves, it shall quickly come upon their own heads.

Ga 5:24 They that are Christ's, <Christis> have crucified the flesh with the appetites <|desires|> and lusts.
Ga 5:25 If we live in the spirit let us walk in the spirit.
Ga 5:26 Let us not be vain glorious, provoking one another, and envying one another.

heman wrote:
5 I will point out, whom ye shall fear. Fear him which after he hath killed, hath authority to cast into the gehenna (grave). Yea I say unto you, this fear.


Why would you need to fear being cast into hell (when translated from gehenna) if it was only the grave?


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1Co 2:14 For the natural man perceiveth not the things of the spirit of God: For they are but foolishness unto him. Neither can he perceive them because he is spiritually examined: <|can not perceive it: for it must be spiritually discerned|>
1Co 2:15 but he that is spiritual discusseth all things: yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who knoweth the mind of the Lord, other who shall inform him? but we understand the mind of Christ.


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#4: you need to fear Author: hemanLocation: Joplin, MO, USA PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:15 pm
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Etymology is to elucidate the semantic background of the entry, link it with other similar words as a guide to the correct focusing of the proper definitions.
Anointed, the Greek translation of the Hebrew word rendered "Messiah"
1 Corinthians 10:1-26
1 Brethren I would not that ye should be ignorant of this, how that our fathers were all under a cloud, and all passed thorow the sea, 2 and were all dipped into (1519 εισ) Moses in the cloud and in the sea: 3 and did all eat the same spiritual food, 4 and did all drink the same spiritual drink. And they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, which rock was the Messiah.

The Great Bible 1539 was simply a revision of Matthew's Bible; wrote: Matthew's Bible 1537 was Tyndale's and Coverdale's published under the ficticious name of Thomas Matthew; wrote:
Ex 13" were all baptysed under Moses "
Both translations were based on Jerome's Vulgate as was Tyndale's.
You will notice the word UNDER is not within the definition!
1519 εισ eis ice AV into, unto, to, towards, for, among, against, in
Codex Vaticanus (B) Late 2nd Cent, and( Codex Sinaiticus )3rd Cent, (Codicem Alexandrinum)

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Why would you need to fear being cast into hell (when translated from gehenna) if it was only the grave?


Ec 5:7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5 I will point out, whom ye shall fear. Fear him which after he hath killed, hath authority to cast into the gehenna (grave). Yea I say unto you, this fear.

Mt 10:28 And fear not those killing the body, but are not able to kill the life: but rather fear that which is able to destroy both life and body in gehenna.
Isa 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Gehennia n. LL.; Gr. Genna; Heb. Gehinnom
In a later period it was made a refuse dump and perpetual fires were maintained there to prevent pestilence. Thus, in the New Testament, Gehenna became synonymous with hell, Sheol, grave, hades, Lake of Fire.

Ps 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Job 14: 13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!

Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

2 Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to a resurrection of judgement.

Deut 32:35, 39 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand (Including an adversary;devils; demons; etc.)
Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

So who should we fear?
Isa 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

If death and Gehenna were cast into death and gehenna, it sounds like you are eternally dead and punished by not being present with the Lord! What more do you want?
Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Re 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Re 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six

And the BEAST is:
Re 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Re 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Da 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.

Ro 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

#5: fear Jesu Christ Author: JAdmin PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:13 am
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What was brought up is the manner of Scriptural correlation that promotes inspiration with glory to God and not men.

1 Corinthians 1:20-29
20Where is the wise man? where is the scribe? where is the searcher of this world? Hath not God made the wisdom of this world foolishness?  21For when the world thorow wisdom knew not God, in the wisdom of God: it pleased God thorow foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.  22For the jews require a sign, and the greeks seek after wisdom.  23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the jews an occasion of falling and unto the greeks foolishness:  24but unto them which are called both of jews and greeks we preach Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.  25For Godly foolishness is wiser than men: And Godly weakness is stronger than are men.  26Brethren look on your calling how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many of high degree are called:  27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world, to confound the wise. And hath chosen the weak things of the world, to confound things which are mighty.  28And vile things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen yea and things of no reputation, for to bring to nought things of reputation,  29that no flesh should rejoice in his presence.  


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1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man seem <|think himself|> wise among you, let him be <|become|> a fool in this world, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written: he compasseth the wise in their craftiness.



heman wrote:

The Great Bible 1539 was simply a revision of Matthew's Bible; wrote: Matthew's Bible 1537 was Tyndale's and Coverdale's published under the ficticious name of Thomas Matthew; wrote:
Ex 13" were all baptysed under Moses "
Both translations were based on Jerome's Vulgate as was Tyndale's.



Tyndale and devout friends did not base translation on Jerome's Vulgate. You may be thinking of John Wycliffe that had no other alternative than Latin to translate from, though he still made wonders with it.
Besides, it is the Vulgate that has "in Mose" to begin with.


heman wrote:

You will notice the word UNDER is not within the definition!
1519 εισ eis ice AV into, unto, to, towards, for, among, against, in
Codex Vaticanus (B) Late 2nd Cent, and( Codex Sinaiticus )3rd Cent, (Codicem Alexandrinum)


It's actually εις τον

Even according to the lexicons that together in this passage means directed "to something": as in having the people geared toward what Moses gave as it was revealed to him, thus making the people under that system; and thus the correct English expression to say:

1Co 10:2 and were all baptised under Moses in the cloud and in the sea:
Though what matters is:
1 Corinthians 10:3-5
3and did all eat of one spiritual meat,  4and did all drink of one manner of spiritual drink. And they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, which rock was Christ.  5But in many of them had God no delight. For they were overthrown in the wilderness.  

Yea (even to my shame) I will quote the rest in repentance:
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1Co 10:6 These are examples to us that we should not lust after evil things, as they lusted.
1Co 10:7 Neither be ye worshippers of images as were some of them according as it is written: The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up again to play.
1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication <|whoredom|> as some of them committed fornication, <|whoredom|> and were destroyed <|fell|> in one day twenty three thousand.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them tempted and were destroyed of serpents.
1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye as some of them murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Co 10:11 All these things happened upon them for ensamples, and were written to put us in remembrance, <|to warn us|> whom the ends of the world are come upon.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth, take heed lest he fall.
1Co 10:13 There hath none other temptation taken you, <|yet no temptation overtaken you|> but such as followeth the nature of man. God is faithful, which shall not suffer you to be tempted above your strength: but shall in the midst of the temptation make a way to escape out. <|that ye may bear it|>
1Co 10:14 Wherefore my dear beloved, flee from worshipping of idols.
1Co 10:15 I speak as unto them which have discretion, judge ye what I say.
1Co 10:16 Is not the cup of blessing which we bless, <|thanksgiving wherewith we give thanks|> partaking of the blood of Christ? is not the bread which we break, partaking of the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 because that we (though we be many) yet are one bread, and one body inasmuch as we all are partakers of one bread. ([and of one cup])
1Co 10:18 Behold Israel which walketh carnally. <|after the flesh|> Are not they which eat of the sacrifice, partakers of the altar?
1Co 10:19 What say I then? that the image <|Idoll|> is anything? or that it which is offered to images <|the Idoll|> is anything?
1Co 10:20 Nay, but I say, that those <these> things which the gentiles <|Heathen|> offer, they offer to devils, and not to God. And I would not that ye should have fellowship with the devils.
1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink of the cup of the Lord, and of the cup of the devils. Ye can not be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
1Co 10:22 Other <Either> shall we provoke the Lord? other <Or> are we stronger than he?
1Co 10:23 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient. <|I may do all things, but all things are not profitable|> All things are lawful, <[to me]> but all things edify not.
1Co 10:24 Let no man seek his own profit: but let every man seek his neighbors <seek another's> wealth.
1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the market, that eat, and ask no questions for conscience sake.
1Co 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, <lordis> and all that therein is.
1Co 10:27 If any of them which believe not bid you to a feast, and if ye be disposed to go, whatsoever is set before you eat, asking no question for conscience sake;
1Co 10:28 but and if any man say unto you: this is dedicated <|offered|> unto idols, eat not of it for his sake that shewed it, and for hurting of conscience: the earth is the Lord's and all that therein is.
1Co 10:29 Conscience I say, not thine: but the conscience of that other. <[For]> Why should my liberty be judged of another man's conscience?
1Co 10:30 For if I take my part with thanks: <|thanksgiving|> why am I evil spoken of for that thing wherefore I give thanks?
1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the praise of God.
1Co 10:32 See that ye give none occasion of evil, <|falling|> neither to the jews, nor yet to the gentiles, neither to the congregation of God:
1Co 10:33 even as I please all men in all things not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they might be saved.


And no where in Scripture does it say that only the greek, even latin or hebrew alone is the ultimate authority. The nailed fact is that:
Luke 23:38
His superscription was written over him, in greek, latin, and hebrew letters: This is the King of the Jews.


Heman wrote:
So who should we fear?


Fear Jesu Christ the Lord that came as the lamb of God and will now quickly come as the Lion of Juda!


heman wrote:

If death and Gehenna were cast into death and gehenna, it sounds like you are eternally dead and punished by not being present with the Lord! What more do you want?


With me is it but a very small thing, that I should be judged of you, either of man's day. No I judge not mine own self.
I know nought by myself: yet am I not thereby justified. It is the Lord that judgeth me.
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, which will lighten things that are hid in darkness: and open the counsels of the hearts. And then shall every man have praise of God.
1Co 4:3-5

I just want the posts spiritually discerned to make sense.
2 Peter 1:20
So that ye first know this, that no prophecy in the scripture hath any private interpretation.


Revelation 20:6-15
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection. For on such shall the second death have no power, for they shall be the priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand year.  7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,  8and shall go out to deceive the people which are in the four quarters of the earth Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle whose number is as the sand of the sea:  9and they went up on the plain of the earth, and compassed the tents of the saints about, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God, out of heaven, and devoured them:  10and the devil that deceived them, was cast into a lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet were and shall be tormented day and night for ever more.  11And I saw a great white seat and him that sat on it, from whose face fled away both the earth and heaven, and their place was no more found.  12And I saw the dead, both great and small stand before God: And the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged of those things which were written in the books according to their deeds:  13and the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to his deeds.  14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is that second death.  15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the lake of fire.  


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#6: "posts spiritually discerned" Author: hemanLocation: Joplin, MO, USA PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:33 am
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Textual Criticism of the Greek New Testament

English Guide to the Various Readings. A complete collation of Greek readings adopted by Stephens, Beza, Elzevir, Griesbach, Lachmann, Tischendorf, Tregelles, Alford, Wordsworth, Westcott & Hort, Nestle-Aland, and Hodges & Farstad, compared with the text underlying the King James Version (The Vulgate).

Greisbach says, "Tyndale?s, Matthew?s? Coverdale?s, Whitchurch?s, Geneva, ; none of these were made from the original Greek, but only compare with it- being all translated from the Vulgate Latin. The Greek text from which they were compared was compiled from 8 MSS, all of which only dated to the 10th Century, and is now proved to be the very worst Greek Text extant.
Constantine's first act was to order fifty copies of the Greek Bible to be written on vellum for his capital, Constantinople. All through the empire there must have been a similar demand for copies of the Scriptures, and a great stimulus must have been given to their production. It is just to this period that the treat codices which we still possess, the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus, belong; and from that time we have quantities of vellum manuscripts which carry us through the Middle Ages, down to the invention of printing.
This is a very handsome form, and the early uncials, such as the Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus, are among the finest books in existence; but it involved the use of very large volumes. The Sinaiticus, when complete, must have consisted of about 720 leaves, 0r 1,440 pages, measuring 15 by 13.5 inches; the Vaticanus of about 820 of 12.5 by 10.5 inches; the Alexandrinus, of about 820 of 12.5 by 10.5 inches

While there are about 200 uncial manuscripts of the New Testament known, of which all but some sixty are mere fragments,
Their very quantity adds to the difficulties of an editor, since the more the manuscripts the greater the number of various readings; but they make the authenticity of the works themselves overwhelmingly certain.http://www.bible-researcher.com/

Tyndale's Versions of the Scriptures so far noticed were all secondary renderings of the Vulgate, translations of a translation. It was only with the advent of the "new learning" in England that a direct rendering from the originals became possible. Erasmus in 1516 published the New Testament in Greek, with a new Latin version of his own; the Hebrew text of the Old Testament had been published as early as 1488.
He translated straight from the Hebrew and Greek originals, although the Vulgate and more especially Erasmus's Latin version were on occasion consulted. For his prefaces and marginal notes he used Luther's Bible freely, even to paraphrasing or verbally translating long passages from it.

"The thryde Chapter. (Matthew iii. 1-4.) In those dayes Ihon the baptyser cam and preached in the wyldernes of Iury, saynge, Repent, the kyngedom of heven ys at hond. Thys ys he of whom it ys spoken be the prophet Isay, whych sayth: the voice of a cryer in wyldernes, prepaire ye the lordes waye, and make hys pathes strayght. Thys Ihon had hys garment of camelles heere, and a gyrdyll of a skynne about hys loynes. Hys meate was locustes and wyldhe ony."

Tyndale's first New Testament was epoch-making in many ways. It was the first English printed New Testament; it laid the foundations, and much more than the foundations, of the Authorized Version of 1611;All the English manuscript Bibles were translations from the Vulgate; but Tyndale's New Testament was taken from the Greek, which he knew from the editions by Erasmus, published in 1516, 1519, and 1522. As subsidiary aids he employed the Latin version attached by Erasmus to his Greek text, Luther?s German translation of 1522, and the Vulgate; but it has been made abundantly clear that he excercised independent judgment in the use of these materials, and was by no means a slavish copier of Luther.

Vulgate

It laid the foundations, and much more than the foundations, of the Authorized Version of 1611, with more than 20,000 errors; it set on foot the movement which went forward without a break until it culminated in the production of that Authorized Version.

("I recall that one is the text which Origen and Eusebius of Caesarea and all the Greek translators call the koine, i.e. the common and current text, and is now called by most persons Lucian's version; the other is the text of the translators of the Septuagint which is found in the codices [or books] of Origen [or the Hexapla], and has been faithfully translated by us into the Latin language ... the koine [the ordinary text] ... is the old corrupted text, but that which is found in the Hexapla, and which we are translating, is the same one which the version of the translators of the Septuagint has preserved unchanged and immaculate in the books of the scholars.")

Besides, the first two centuries of the Roman church were rather Greek; the earliest Christian literature of Rome is Greek, its bishops bear Greek names, its earliest liturgy was Greek.
Pope Damasus determined to remedy this state of affairs, and with all the authority of the papal see commissioned Jerome to produce an authentic and standard authorized version.
Jerome collated (8) Greek manuscripts, and carefully compared them with the "Italian" type of Old Latin texts; where possible the Old Latin was preserved. Thus, Jerome approached the task with a conservative spirit. Still the result was a considerable departure from the Old Latin version, the changes being (1) linguistic, removal of provincialisms and rudeness, (2) in interpretation, e.g. supersubstantialis for epiousion, epiousion, in the Lord's Prayer, (3) the removal of interpolations, (4) the insertion of the Eusebian Canons.The Vulgate has enriched our language by introducing many Greek words, "apostle," "evangel," "synagogue," "baptism," etc. It has also given us much of our theological vocabulary, "edification," "justification," "propitiation," "regeneration," "Scripture," etc.

Sixtine edition of the Vulgate by the Vatican press in 1590. The text resembles the Stephanus edition of 1540.
Clementine edition of 1592 still remains the official version of the Roman Catholic church.

Westcott and Hort have reduced the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament to a system. The student may conveniently approach the subject by Gregory in Tischendorf's N. T. Gr., 8th edition, III, 983 ff., also in Westcott's article in Smith's Dictionary of the Bible

#7: take diligence Author: JAdmin PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:37 am
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1Co 1:26 Brethren look on your calling how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many of high degree are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world, to confound the wise. And <[God]> hath chosen the weak things of the world, to confound things which are mighty.
1Co 1:28 And vile things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen yea and things of no reputation, for to bring to nought things of reputation,
1Co 1:29 that no flesh should rejoice in his presence.


James 3:11-18
11Doth a fountain send forth at one place sweet water, and bitter also?  12Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries: other a vine bear figs? So can no fountain give both salt water and fresh also.  13Who is wise and endued with learning among you? Let him shew the works of his good conversation in meekness that is coupled with wisdom.  14But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, rejoice not: neither be liars against the truth.  15This wisdom descendeth not from above: but is earthy, and natural, and devilish:  16For where envying and strife is, there is unstableness, and all manner of evil works:  17but the wisdom that is from above, is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without judging, and without simulation:  18yea, and the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace, of them that keep peace.  


Who preserved the bible verity and only real truth is God in his providence and sovereignty, yea choosing whom he will to do so from generation to generation. (Ps. 100:5, 119:90) Many (whom the world was not worthy of) that were even hidden underground; in caves, mountains, whom kept the wholy Bible purely at heart and every Scripture even hand written.. yea whose good fruits the reformers had the great privilege to utilize.

Luke 6:40-45
40The disciple is not above his master. Every man shall be perfect, even as his master is.  41Why seest thou a mote in thy brother's eye, and considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?  42Other how canst thou say to thy brother: Brother let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye: when thou perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Hypocrite, cast out the beam out of thine own eye first, and then shalt thou see perfectly, to pull out the mote out of thy brother's eye.  43It is not a good tree that bringeth forth evil fruit: Neither is that an evil tree, that bringeth forth good fruit.  44For every tree is known by his fruit. Neither of thorns gather men figs, nor of bushes gather they grapes.  45A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good. And the evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart, bringeth forth that which is evil. For of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh.  


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1Co 2:12 And we have not received the spirit of the world: but the spirit which cometh of God, for to know the things that are given to us of God,
1Co 2:13 which things also we speak, not in the cunning words of man's wisdom, but with the cunning words of the holy ghost, making spiritual comparisons of spiritual things. <|and judge spiritual matters spiritually|>



Proverbs 30:5-6
5All the words of God are pure and clean, for he is a shield unto all them that put their trust in him.  6Put thou nothing therefore unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found as a liar.  

#8: "generation to generation" Author: hemanLocation: Joplin, MO, USA PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:13 pm
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yea choosing whom he will to do so from generation to generation.


1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words taught by human wisdom, but by the teachings of the spirit explaining spiritual things to spiritual ones,.
15 But the spiritual man examines all things indeed, but is examined by no one
16 For who knew the mind of the Lord ? Who will instruct him? But we have the mind of the Anointed.
2 Pet 1:20 First knowing this, that all prophecy in the scripture is not of its own loosing. 21 For not at any time was prophesy brought by the will of man, but men of God spoke , being moved by the Holy Spirit,

Mt 10:28 And fear not those killing the body, but are not able to kill the life: but rather fear that which is able to destroy both life and body in gehenna.
Isa 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. [img][/img]



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#9: spiritually examined? Author: JAdmin PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:46 pm
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Ironic to see an image fabricated from the worldly organization that the reformers came out from with great tribulation.

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Re 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven, and <for> behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns, and seven crowns on his heads: <havyng .vii. heddes, and ten hornes and crounes upon his heddes>
Re 12:4 and his tail drew the third part of the stars, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman, which was ready to be delivered: for to devour her child as soon as it <hit> were born.
Re 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, which should rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her son was taken up unto God, and to his seat.
Re 12:6 And the woman fled into wilderness, where she had a place, prepared of God, that they should feed her there, one thousand, and twenty six days. <one thousand two hundred and sixty days> <(First edition of 1526: fede her there, M, and xxvj. dayes. Later editions: fede her there a M. ii. C and lx. dayes.)>
Re 12:7 And there was great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon and the dragon fought and his angels,
Re 12:8 and prevailed not: neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Re 12:9 And the great dragon, that old serpent called the devil and Sathanas; Was cast out. Which deceiveth all the world. And he was cast into the earth, and his angels were cast out also.
Re 12:10 And I heard a loud <lowd> voice saying: in heaven is now made health <salvation> and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: For he is cast down which accused them before God day and night:
Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.


Revelation 18:1-24
1And after that I saw another angel come from heaven, having great power, and the earth was lightened with his brightness.  2And he cried mightily with a strong voice saying: Great Babylon is fallen is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of all foul spirits, and a cage of all unclean and hateful birds,  3for all nations have drunken of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. And the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and her merchants are waxed rich of the abundance of her pleasures.  4And I heard another voice from heaven say: come away from her my people, that ye be not partakers in her sins, that ye receive not of her plagues.  5For her sins are gone up to heaven, and God hath remembered her wickedness.  6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and give her double according to her works. And pour in double to her in the same cup which she filled unto you.  7And as much as she glorified herself and lived wantonly, so much pour ye in for her of punishment, and sorrow, for she said in her heart: I sit being a queen and am no widow and shall see no sorrow.  8Therefore shall her plagues come at one day, death, and sorrow, and hunger, and she shall be brent with fire: for strong is the Lord God which judgeth her.   9And the kings of the earth shall beweep her and wail over her, which have committed fornication with her, and have lived wantonly with her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,  10and shall stand afar off, for fear of her punishment, saying: Alas, Alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city: For at one hour is her judgment come.  11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and wail in themselves, for no man will buy their ware any more,  12the ware of gold and silver, and precious stones, neither of pearl, and raynes, and purple, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and of iron,  13and cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.  14And the apples that thy soul lusted after, are departed from thee. And all things which were dainty, and had in price are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more.  15The merchants of these things which were waxed rich shall stand afar off from her, for fear of the punishment of her, weeping and wailing,  16and saying: Alas alas, that great city, that was clothed in raynes, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stone, and pearls:  17for at one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every ship governor, and all they that occupied ships, and shipmen which work in the sea, stood afar off,  18and cried, when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying: what city is like unto this great city?  19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried weeping, and wailing, and said: Alas Alas that great city wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea, by the reason of her ware, for at one hour is she made desolate.  20Rejoice over her thou heaven, and ye holy apostles, and prophets: for God hath given your judgement on her.  21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying: with such violence shall that great city Babylon be cast, and shall be found no more.  22And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more in thee: and no crafts man, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee, and the sound of a mill shall be heard no more in thee,  23and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride, shall be heard no more in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth. And with thine enchantment were deceived all nations:  24and in her was found the blood of the prophets, and of the saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.  



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yea choosing whom he will to do so from generation to generation.


"From generation to generation" meaning it is the people that God (in his sovereign providence) chose to pass the reality of truth, and not any specific worldly organization to preserve his verity.
Psalms 100:5
For the LORD is gracious, his mercy is everlasting, and his truth endureth from generation to generation.
Psalms 119:90
Thy truth also remaineth from one generation to another: thou hast laid the foundation of the earth, and it abideth.


Who preserved the bible verity and only real truth is God in his providence and sovereignty, yea choosing whom he will to do so from generation to generation. (Ps. 100:5, 119:90) Many (whom the world was not worthy of) that were even hidden underground; in caves, mountains, whom kept the wholy Bible purely at heart and every Scripture even hand written.. yea whose good fruits the reformers had the great privilege to utilize.





Heman wrote:

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words taught by human wisdom, but by the teachings of the spirit explaining spiritual things to spiritual ones,.
15 But the spiritual man examines all things indeed, but is examined by no one

How can you examine all things, and not be examined yourself?

Rather, it is commanded to examine all things, including ourselves:

2 Corinthians 13:5-9
5Prove yourselves whether ye are in the faith or not. Examine your own selves: know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you? except ye be castaways.  6I trust that ye shall know that we are not castaways.  7I desire before God that ye do none evil, not that we should seem commendable: but that ye should do, that which is honest: and let us be counted as lewd persons.  8We can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.  9We are glad when we are weak, and ye strong. This also we wish for, even that ye were perfect.   


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1Th 5:21 Examine <Examen> <|prove|> all things. Reap <and Keep> that which is good.

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1Jo 4:1 Dearly <Ye> beloved believe not every spirit: but prove the spirits whether they are <be> of God, or no: <or not:> for many false prophets are gone out in to the world.


Psalms 26:2
Examine me, O LORD, and prove me: try out my reins and my heart.



And it is very ironic how that the reformers translated 1Co 2:14-15:
For the natural man perceiveth not the things of the spirit of God: For they are but foolishness unto him. Neither can he perceive them because he is spiritually examined: but he that is spiritual discusseth all things: yet he himself is judged of no man.

Heman wrote:

16 For who knew the mind of the Lord ? Who will instruct him? But we have the mind of the Anointed.
2 Pet 1:20 First knowing this, that all prophecy in the scripture is not of its own loosing. 21 For not at any time was prophesy brought by the will of man, but men of God spoke , being moved by the Holy Spirit,


Who has the mind of the Anointed?

There is no doubt when translated as Christ, that it is Jesu Christ who is the onely spiritual discernment.
1 Corinthians 2:16
For who knoweth the mind of the Lord, other who shall inform him? but we understand the mind of Christ.

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Joh 14:6 Jesus said unto him I am the way, the verity, <truth> and <[the]> life. <[And]> No man cometh unto the father, but by me.



Heman wrote:

Mt 10:28 And fear not those killing the body, but are not able to kill the life: but rather fear that which is able to destroy both life and body in gehenna.
Isa 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. [img][/img]


Yea, and thus the gold tried in the fire of God shall quickly consume all his enemies.

Psalms 111
1Praise the everlasting. I will give thanks unto the LORD with my whole heart: secretly among the faithful, and in the congregation.  2The works of the LORD are great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein.  3His work is worthy to be praised and had in honour, and his righteousness endureth for ever.  4The merciful and gracious LORD hath so done his marvelous works, that they ought to be had in remembrance.  5He giveth meat unto them, that fear him, he is ever mindful of his covenant.  6He sheweth his people the power of his works, that he may give them the heritage of the Heathen.  7The works of his hands are verity and judgment, all his commandments are true.  8They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and equity.  9He sent redemption unto his people, he hath commanded his covenant for ever, holy and reverent is his name.  10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all they that do thereafter: the praise of it endureth for ever.    


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#10: Re: spiritually examined? Author: hemanLocation: Joplin, MO, USA PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:18 pm
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JAdmin wrote:
Ironic to see an image fabricated from the worldly organization that the reformers came out from with great tribulation.

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Re 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven, and <for> behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns, and seven crowns on his heads: <havyng .vii. heddes, and ten hornes and crounes upon his heddes>
Re 12:4 and his tail drew the third part of the stars, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman, which was ready to be delivered: for to devour her child as soon as it <hit> were born.
Re 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, which should rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her son was taken up unto God, and to his seat.
Re 12:6 And the woman fled into wilderness, where she had a place, prepared of God, that they should feed her there, one thousand, and twenty six days. <one thousand two hundred and sixty days> <(First edition of 1526: fede her there, M, and xxvj. dayes. Later editions: fede her there a M. ii. C and lx. dayes.)>
Re 12:7 And there was great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon and the dragon fought and his angels,
Re 12:8 and prevailed not: neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Re 12:9 And the great dragon, that old serpent called the devil and Sathanas; Was cast out. Which deceiveth all the world. And he was cast into the earth, and his angels were cast out also.
Re 12:10 And I heard a loud <lowd> voice saying: in heaven is now made health <salvation> and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: For he is cast down which accused them before God day and night:
Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.


Revelation 18:1-24
1And after that I saw another angel come from heaven, having great power, and the earth was lightened with his brightness.  2And he cried mightily with a strong voice saying: Great Babylon is fallen is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of all foul spirits, and a cage of all unclean and hateful birds,  3for all nations have drunken of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. And the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and her merchants are waxed rich of the abundance of her pleasures.  4And I heard another voice from heaven say: come away from her my people, that ye be not partakers in her sins, that ye receive not of her plagues.  5For her sins are gone up to heaven, and God hath remembered her wickedness.  6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and give her double according to her works. And pour in double to her in the same cup which she filled unto you.  7And as much as she glorified herself and lived wantonly, so much pour ye in for her of punishment, and sorrow, for she said in her heart: I sit being a queen and am no widow and shall see no sorrow.  8Therefore shall her plagues come at one day, death, and sorrow, and hunger, and she shall be brent with fire: for strong is the Lord God which judgeth her.   9And the kings of the earth shall beweep her and wail over her, which have committed fornication with her, and have lived wantonly with her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,  10and shall stand afar off, for fear of her punishment, saying: Alas, Alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city: For at one hour is her judgment come.  11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and wail in themselves, for no man will buy their ware any more,  12the ware of gold and silver, and precious stones, neither of pearl, and raynes, and purple, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and of iron,  13and cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.  14And the apples that thy soul lusted after, are departed from thee. And all things which were dainty, and had in price are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more.  15The merchants of these things which were waxed rich shall stand afar off from her, for fear of the punishment of her, weeping and wailing,  16and saying: Alas alas, that great city, that was clothed in raynes, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stone, and pearls:  17for at one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every ship governor, and all they that occupied ships, and shipmen which work in the sea, stood afar off,  18and cried, when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying: what city is like unto this great city?  19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried weeping, and wailing, and said: Alas Alas that great city wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea, by the reason of her ware, for at one hour is she made desolate.  20Rejoice over her thou heaven, and ye holy apostles, and prophets: for God hath given your judgement on her.  21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying: with such violence shall that great city Babylon be cast, and shall be found no more.  22And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more in thee: and no crafts man, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee, and the sound of a mill shall be heard no more in thee,  23and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride, shall be heard no more in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth. And with thine enchantment were deceived all nations:  24and in her was found the blood of the prophets, and of the saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.  

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, changing their appearance(μετασχηματιζομενα) into apostles of Christ.
14 And it is not a miracle(2294); for the adversary is changed (μετασχηματιζομοντια)into a messenger of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if the servants of him also be changed (μετασχηματιζομονται) as servants of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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yea choosing whom he will to do so from generation to generation.


From generation to generation meaning it is the people that God (in his sovereign providence) chose to pass the reality of truth, and not any specific worldly organization to preserve his verity.
Psalms 100:5
For the LORD is gracious, his mercy is everlasting, and his truth endureth from generation to generation.
Psalms 119:90
Thy truth also remaineth from one generation to another: thou hast laid the foundation of the earth, and it abideth.

Yes, God chose then and also chooses now! This includes the present generation, especially with the modern day revelations of the Codex Vaticanus (B),( Codex Sinaiticus ) (Codicem Alexandrinum) revealed in the last days unto us by the micro computer world. Therefore Ye Present Day Servants of Christ:
1 Co 4:1 Let us regard a man, as assistants of Christ, and stewards of a mystery of God...3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man?s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord...16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
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Who preserved the bible verity and only real truth is God in his providence and sovereignty, yea choosing whom he will to do so from generation to generation. (Ps. 100:5, 119:90) Many (whom the world was not worthy of) that were even hidden underground; in caves, mountains, whom kept the wholy Bible purely at heart and every Scripture even hand written.. yea whose good fruits the reformers had the great privilege to utilize.

Heman wrote:

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words taught by human wisdom, but by the teachings of the spirit explaining spiritual things to spiritual ones,.
15 But the spiritual man examines all things indeed, but is examined by no one
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How can you examine all things, and not be examined yourself?

Rather, it is commanded to examine all things, including ourselves:
Psalms 26:2
Examine me, O LORD, and prove me: try out my reins and my heart.


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1Th 5:21 Examine <Examen> <|prove|> all things. Reap <and Keep> that which is good.

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1Jo 4:1 Dearly <Ye> beloved believe not every spirit: but prove the spirits whether they are <be> of God, or no: <or not:> for many false prophets are gone out in to the world.


And it is very ironic how that the reformers translated 1Co 2:14-15:
For the natural man perceiveth not the things of the spirit of God: For they are but foolishness unto him. Neither can he perceive them because he is spiritually examined: but he that is spiritual discusseth all things: yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Co4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord...
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Heman wrote:

16 For who knew the mind of the Lord ? Who will instruct him? But we have the mind of the Anointed.
2 Pet 1:20 First knowing this, that all prophecy in the scripture is not of its own loosing. 21 For not at any time was prophesy brought by the will of man, but men of God spoke , being moved by the Holy Spirit,


Who has the mind of the Anointed?

There is no doubt when translated as Christ, that it is Jesu Christ who is the onely spiritual discernment.
1 Corinthians 2:16
For who knoweth the mind of the Lord, other who shall inform him? but we understand the mind of Christ.

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Joh 14:6 Jesus said unto him I am the way, the verity, <truth> and <[the]> life. <[And]> No man cometh unto the father, but by me.
Php 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
On 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
1Pe 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
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Heman wrote:

Mt 10:28 And fear not those killing the body, but are not able to kill the life: but rather fear that which is able to destroy both life and body in gehenna.
Isa 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. [img][/img]


Yea, and thus the gold tried in the fire of God shall quickly consume all his enemies.

Psalms 111
1Praise the everlasting. I will give thanks unto the LORD with my whole heart: secretly among the faithful, and in the congregation.  2The works of the LORD are great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein.  3His work is worthy to be praised and had in honour, and his righteousness endureth for ever.  4The merciful and gracious LORD hath so done his marvelous works, that they ought to be had in remembrance.  5He giveth meat unto them, that fear him, he is ever mindful of his covenant.  6He sheweth his people the power of his works, that he may give them the heritage of the Heathen.  7The works of his hands are verity and judgment, all his commandments are true.  8They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and equity.  9He sent redemption unto his people, he hath commanded his covenant for ever, holy and reverent is his name.  10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all they that do thereafter: the praise of it endureth for ever.    

#11: Re: spiritually examined? Author: JAdmin PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:01 pm
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What's more ironic is that the codex vaticanus ends Mark at 16:8; ..for they were afraid.

And can be baffling how such codexes are even trusted even according to the scholarship thereof:
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? Codex Vaticanus ("B" --c. 325) -- the subscription "KATA MARKON" ("According to Mark") is placed after the end of v. 8, followed by a long blank space almost sufficient to fill with the contents of 16:9-20.
? Codex Sinaiticus (???c. 350) -- the original pages of this manuscript at the end of Mark (and the beginning of Luke) were replaced while the manuscript was in production.
The ornamentation after Mark 16:8 on this replacement-page is remarkably similar to an ornamentation in Vaticanus at the end of Deuteronomy, which, along with other shared features, strongly suggests that they were made at the same place. It cannot be ruled out that a scribe was involved in the production of both manuscripts ~V as a mere copyist when Vaticanus was made, and as the scriptorium-supervisor when Sinaiticus was made.



heman wrote:
JAdmin wrote:
Ironic to see an image fabricated from the worldly organization that the reformers came out from with great tribulation.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, changing their appearance(μετασχηματιζομενα) into apostles of Christ.
14 And it is not a miracle(2294); for the adversary is changed (μετασχηματιζομοντια)into a messenger of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if the servants of him also be changed (μετασχηματιζομονται) as servants of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


Yea, thus saith the Lord: ye shall know them by their fruits. (Mt. 7)

heman wrote:

JAdmin wrote:
yea choosing whom he will to do so from generation to generation.

From generation to generation meaning it is the people that God (in his sovereign providence) chose to pass the reality of truth, and not any specific worldly organization to preserve his verity.
Psalms 100:5
For the LORD is gracious, his mercy is everlasting, and his truth endureth from generation to generation.
Psalms 119:90
Thy truth also remaineth from one generation to another: thou hast laid the foundation of the earth, and it abideth.


Yes, God chose then and also chooses now! This includes the present generation,


Notice at first i said God is a "choosing whom he will", and then mentioned that he "chose", signifying his sovereign providence:
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Eph 1:3 Blessed be God the father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which hath blessed us with all manner of spiritual blessings in heavenly things by Christ,
Eph 1:4 according as he had chosen us in him thorow love, before the foundation of the world was laid, that we should be saints, <|holy|> and without blame in his sight. <and without blame before him, thorow love.>


heman wrote:

especially with the modern day revelations of the Codex Vaticanus (B),( Codex Sinaiticus ) (Codicem Alexandrinum) revealed in the last days unto us by the micro computer world. Therefore Ye Present Day Servants of Christ:
1 Co 4:1 Let us regard a man, as assistants of Christ, and stewards of a mystery of God...3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man?s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord...16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.


Oh, the irony how micro computers are based on silicon that in essence is sand; that brings to attention:

Code:
Re 13:1 And I stood on the sea sand. <see sonde> And I saw a beast rise out of the sea, having seven heads, and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his head, the name of blasphemy.


heman wrote:

1 Co4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord...


So be it.

heman wrote:

Php 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
On 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
1Pe 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:


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2Co 6:15 What concord hath <|How agreeth|> Christ with beliall? Either <|Or|> what part hath he that believeth <|the believer|> with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 how agreeth <|accordeth|> the temple of God with images? And ye are the temple of the living God, as said God: I will dwell among them, and walk among them, and will be their God: and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and separate yourselves (saith the Lord) and touch none unclean thing: so will I receive you,
2Co 6:18 and will be a father unto you, and ye shall be unto me sons and daughters, saith the Lord almighty.



Mark 16:1-20
1And when the Sabbath day was past, Mary Magdalen, and Mary Jacobi, and Salome, bought ointments, that they might come and anoint him.  2And early in the morning the next day after the Sabbath day, they came unto the sepulchre, when the sun was risen.  3And they said one to another: who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?  4And when they beheld it, they saw how the stone was rolled away. For it was a very great one,  5and they went into the sepulchre, and saw a young man, sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment, and they were abashed.  6 He said unto them, be not afraid, ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified. He is risen, he is not here. Behold the place, where they put him.  7But go your way, and tell his disciples, and namely Peter, that he is gone before you into Galilee, there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.  8And they went out quickly and fled from the sepulchre. For they trembled and were amazed. Neither said they anything to any man, for they were afraid.  9When Jesus was risen the morrow after the Sabbath day, he appeared first to Mary Magdalen, out of whom he cast seven devils.  10And she went, and told them that were with him, as they mourned and wept.  11And when they heard, that he was alive, and had appeared to her: they believed it not.  12After that, he appeared unto two of them in a strange figure, as he walked, and went into the country.  13And they went, and told it to the remnant. And they believed them neither.  14After that he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat: and cast in their teeth their unbelief, and hardness of heart: because they believed not them which had seen him after his resurrection.  15And he said unto them: Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to all creatures:  16Whosoever believeth, and is baptised, shall be safe: And whosoever that believeth not, shall be damned.  17And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name they shall cast out devils, and shall speak with new tongues,  18and shall kill serpents. And if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them. They shall lay their hands on the sick, and they shall recover.  19So then when the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.  20And they went forth, and preached everywhere. And the Lord wrought with them; And confirmed their preaching with miracles that followed. The end of the Gospell off S. Mark.  


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#12: Re: spiritually examined? Author: hemanLocation: Joplin, MO, USA PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:48 pm
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JAdmin wrote:
What's more ironic is that the codex vaticanus ends Mark at 16:8; ..for they were afraid.

And can be baffling how such codexes are even trusted even according to the scholarship thereof:
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? Codex Vaticanus ("B" --c. 325) -- the subscription "KATA MARKON" ("According to Mark") is placed after the end of v. 8, followed by a long blank space almost sufficient to fill with the contents of 16:9-20.
? Codex Sinaiticus (???c. 350) -- the original pages of this manuscript at the end of Mark (and the beginning of Luke) were replaced while the manuscript was in production.
The ornamentation after Mark 16:8 on this replacement-page is remarkably similar to an ornamentation in Vaticanus at the end of Deuteronomy, which, along with other shared features, strongly suggests that they were made at the same place. It cannot be ruled out that a scribe was involved in the production of both manuscripts ~V as a mere copyist when Vaticanus was made, and as the scriptorium-supervisor when Sinaiticus was made.

Constantine's first act was to order fifty copies of the Greek Bible to be written on vellum for his capital, Constantinople. All through the empire there must have been a similar demand for copies of the Scriptures, and a great stimulus must have been given to their production. It is just to this period that the treat codices which we still possess, the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus, belong; and from that time we have quantities of vellum manuscripts which carry us through the Middle Ages, down to the invention of printing.
All the writings begin and end with the authors name. John and Acts also have more than enough room to add lib, if someone were so inclined.
It is ironic that Mark also starts with the inscription: κατα μαρκον and that there are not any verses after 16:8 merely shows the fact that someone later added the other verses.

Here is a good example of add ons:
Eph 3:9and to give light to all men, that they might know what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God which made all things thorow Jesus Christ, 3
The words "thorow Jesus Christ" are not in the originals.

The verse actually reads:
"and to enlighten all what is the administration of the secret, which from the beginning of the ages hath been hid in God, in that all things having created ."

Which goes along with the others:
1:9And hath opened unto us the mystery of his will according to
his pleasure, and purposed

And actually reads:
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the secret of his will, according to his own good pleasure which he before purposed in himself:

And again:Joh 1:1In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word.c 1:2The same was in the beginning with god. 1:3All things were made by it, and without it, was made no thing, that made was.

Which actually reads:
Joh 1:1 In a beginning was the word and the word was with God and God was the word 2 this was in a beginning with God 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

And again:1:15which is the image of the invisible God,first begotten before all creatures: 1:16for by him were all things created, things that are in heaven, and things that are in earth:
things visible, and things invisible: whether they be majesty or lordship, either rule or power. 1:17All things are created by him, and in him, and he is before all things, and in him all things have their being.

Which actually reads:
Col 1:15 Who is a likeness of the unseen God, the firstborn of every creation:16 Because in him were created all things, that are in heaven, and on the earth, the things seen and the things unseen, whether thrones, or lordships, or governments, or authorities: 17 all things were created on account of him, and for him: and he is in advance of all and all things have been placed together in him.

And again:
Mr 13:32But of the day and the hour, knoweth no man: no not the angels which are in heaven: neither the son himself, save the
father only.

Which actually reads:
Mr 13:32 But concerning that day or the hour no one knows, nor the messengers which are in heaven, nor the Son, if not the Father.
And LASTLY:
1 John 5:6 This is the one having come by means of water and blood and the spirit is the one testifying because the spirit is the truth 7* 8 Because three are those testifying the spirit and the water and the blood and the three for one are. 9 If the testimony of the men we receive the testimony of the God is greater because this is the testimony of the God which He has testified concerning the Son of Himself. Codex Vaticanus (B),( Codex Sinaiticus )
*7 verse not included in either
"This text is not contained in any of the Greek manuscripts written earlier than the 5th century. It was first cited by Virgillus Tapensis, a Latin writer of no credit, in the latter end of the 5th Century, by whom it was forged, and its design is obvious to all".
JAdmin wrote:

heman wrote:
JAdmin wrote:
Ironic to see an image fabricated from the worldly organization that the reformers came out from with great tribulation.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, changing their appearance(μετασχηματιζομενα) into apostles of Christ.
14 And it is not a miracle(2294); for the adversary is changed (μετασχηματιζομοντια)into a messenger of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if the servants of him also be changed (μετασχηματιζομονται) as servants of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


Yea, thus saith the Lord: ye shall know them by their fruits. (Mt. 7)

heman wrote:

JAdmin wrote:
yea choosing whom he will to do so from generation to generation.

From generation to generation meaning it is the people that God (in his sovereign providence) chose to pass the reality of truth, and not any specific worldly organization to preserve his verity.
Psalms 100:5
For the LORD is gracious, his mercy is everlasting, and his truth endureth from generation to generation.
Psalms 119:90
Thy truth also remaineth from one generation to another: thou hast laid the foundation of the earth, and it abideth.


Yes, God chose then and also chooses now! This includes the present generation,


Notice at first i said God is a "choosing whom he will", and then mentioned that he "chose", signifying his sovereign providence:
Code:
Eph 1:3 Blessed be God the father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which hath blessed us with all manner of spiritual blessings in heavenly things by Christ,
Eph 1:4 according as he had chosen us in him thorow love, before the foundation of the world was laid, that we should be saints, <|holy|> and without blame in his sight. <and without blame before him, thorow love.>


heman wrote:

especially with the modern day revelations of the Codex Vaticanus (B),( Codex Sinaiticus ) (Codicem Alexandrinum) revealed in the last days unto us by the micro computer world. Therefore Ye Present Day Servants of Christ:
1 Co 4:1 Let us regard a man, as assistants of Christ, and stewards of a mystery of God...3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man?s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord...16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.


Oh, the irony how micro computers are based on silicon that in essence is sand; that brings to attention:

Code:
Re 13:1 And I stood on the sea sand. <see sonde> And I saw a beast rise out of the sea, having seven heads, and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his head, the name of blasphemy.


heman wrote:

1 Co4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord...


So be it.

heman wrote:

Php 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
On 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
1Pe 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:


Code:
2Co 6:15 What concord hath <|How agreeth|> Christ with beliall? Either <|Or|> what part hath he that believeth <|the believer|> with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 how agreeth <|accordeth|> the temple of God with images? And ye are the temple of the living God, as said God: I will dwell among them, and walk among them, and will be their God: and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and separate yourselves (saith the Lord) and touch none unclean thing: so will I receive you,
2Co 6:18 and will be a father unto you, and ye shall be unto me sons and daughters, saith the Lord almighty.



Mark 16:1-20
1And when the Sabbath day was past, Mary Magdalen, and Mary Jacobi, and Salome, bought ointments, that they might come and anoint him.  2And early in the morning the next day after the Sabbath day, they came unto the sepulchre, when the sun was risen.  3And they said one to another: who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?  4And when they beheld it, they saw how the stone was rolled away. For it was a very great one,  5and they went into the sepulchre, and saw a young man, sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment, and they were abashed.  6 He said unto them, be not afraid, ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified. He is risen, he is not here. Behold the place, where they put him.  7But go your way, and tell his disciples, and namely Peter, that he is gone before you into Galilee, there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.  8And they went out quickly and fled from the sepulchre. For they trembled and were amazed. Neither said they anything to any man, for they were afraid.  9When Jesus was risen the morrow after the Sabbath day, he appeared first to Mary Magdalen, out of whom he cast seven devils.  10And she went, and told them that were with him, as they mourned and wept.  11And when they heard, that he was alive, and had appeared to her: they believed it not.  12After that, he appeared unto two of them in a strange figure, as he walked, and went into the country.  13And they went, and told it to the remnant. And they believed them neither.  14After that he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat: and cast in their teeth their unbelief, and hardness of heart: because they believed not them which had seen him after his resurrection.  15And he said unto them: Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to all creatures:  16Whosoever believeth, and is baptised, shall be safe: And whosoever that believeth not, shall be damned.  17And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name they shall cast out devils, and shall speak with new tongues,  18and shall kill serpents. And if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them. They shall lay their hands on the sick, and they shall recover.  19So then when the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.  20And they went forth, and preached everywhere. And the Lord wrought with them; And confirmed their preaching with miracles that followed. The end of the Gospell off S. Mark.  

#13: spiritual credence Author: JAdmin PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:35 am
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In God's sovereign providence, the Scriptures were already preserved even without the help of any empire; nor did it need any worldly organization of men that couldn't stop those that preserved the Scriptures and decided to join them (like clay mixed with iron). The devout outcasts (and many martyrs) that purely preserved the Scriptures (by divine providence) kept the truth from generation to generation (even in the old latin bible before Jerome who vaguely copied from them) that led to John Wycliffe's translation and later to William Tyndale and devout friends wholy bible from the original tongues (that is: hebrew, greek and latin.)
Yea as it is originally written:
Luke 23:38
His superscription was written over him, in greek, latin, and hebrew letters: This is the King of the Jews.

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Zec 5:1 So I turned me, lifting up mine eyes, and looked, and behold, a flying book.
Zec 5:2 And he said unto me: what seest thou? I answered: I see a flying book of twenty cubits long, and ten cubits broad.
Zec 5:3 Then said he unto me: This is the curse, that goeth forth over the whole earth: for all thieves shall be judged after this book, and all swearers shall be judged according to the same,
Zec 5:4 I will bring it forth (sayeth the LORD of Hosts) so that it shall come to the house of the thief, and to the house of him, that falsely sweareth by my name: and shall remain in his house, and consume it, with the timber and stones thereof.

Galatians 3:13-14
13 Christ hath delivered us from the curse of the law, and was made a cursed for us (for it is written: Cursed is everyone that hangeth on tree)  14that the blessing of Abraham might come on the gentiles thorow Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the spirit thorow faith.  



Taking into account:
2 Peter 1:21
For the scripture came never by the will of man: but wholy men of God spake as they were moved by the wholy ghost.

I perceive God is not limited on how he reveals things in his wholy manner.
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There are also many other things which Jesus did: the which if they should be written every one, I suppose the world could not contain the books that should be written.
Joh 21:25

Who am i to judge if God allowed certain manuscripts to have a few more details. That does not nullify nor certify any particular manuscript, but gives room to those that can spiritually discern it. Yea, to God onely be the credence and not men; as it is written:
Romans 3:4
God forbid. Let God be true, and all men liars, as it is written: That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings and shouldest overcome when thou art judged.



Notice why WT wrote in his prologue:
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If ought seem changed, or not altogether agreeing with the Greek, let the finder of the fault consider the Hebrew phrase or manner of speech left in the Greek words.


Yea, take for ensample:
Ephesians 3:9
and to give light to all men, that they might know what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God which made all things thorow Jesus Christ,

Is "created all things thorow Jesus Christ" correct?
Yes, if you can discern how thorow means here.
Thorow is an archaic that can either mean through or thorough.
I.) thorow (prep.) : through, by means or reason of, be cause of, on account of
II.) Thorow (adv.) thoroughly, completely
Code:
Moreover thorow was translated from the greek word δια
Pronounced: dee-ah'
Transliterated: dia
Strong:  G1223
 a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very  wide applications, local, causal, or occasional):--after, always,  among, at, to avoid, because of (that), briefly, by, for (cause) ...  fore, from, in, by occasion of, of, by reason of, for sake, that,  thereby, therefore, X though, through(-out), to, wherefore, with  (-in). In composition it retains the same general importance.

Thus dia can mean:
1) through
1a) of place
1a1) with
1a2) in
1b) of time
1b1) throughout
1b2) during
1c) of means
1c1) by
1c2) by the means of
2) through
2a) the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
2a1) by reason of
2a2) on account of
2a3) because of for this reason
2a4) therefore
2a5) on this account
Origin: a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act;
Note the difference from other greek words rendered "through".
Strong's 1722 evn en {en} (prep.)
Meaning: 1) in, by, with etc.
Origin: a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between 1519 and 1537);
strong's 1909 evpi, epi {ep-ee'} {prep.}
Meaning:
1) upon, on, at, by, before
2) of position, on, at, by, over, against
3) to, over, on, at, across, against

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Compared to the Hebrew manner, brings to attention:
Word: די
Pronounced: dahee
Strong:  H1767
 of uncertain derivation; enough (as noun or adverb), used  chiefly with preposition in phrases:--able, according to,  after (ability), among, as (oft as), (more than) enough, from,  in, since, (much as is) sufficient(-ly), too much, very, when.

[b]Further research of thorow (prep.) with it's derivation from the hebrew letter "bet" reveals: [/b]
b1.) through: preceded by a verb of motion, as to step, make march, or even let go in a certain way, or direction.
Bet is a directional letter moving from the right to the left.
The direction begins with G-d in creation flowing out from there.
b2.) The structure of the Bet is a Vav and a Vav.
One Vav points in the direction of Earth and the other Vav points in the direction of Heaven.
[When the Vav from the heavens and the Vav from the earth touch in the center they form the Bet].
b3.) 'bet' proceeded from the beginning, hence out of, off, from, on account of, by means of, on the side of, since, above, than, and so be there for.
b4.) with a causal force, through, on account of; because of; Be at, through, the word of
b5.) in: strictly, of position in a place.
b6.) applied to time; of a state or condition, whether physical or mental, in which an action takes place.
b7.) of a standard of measurement or computation, with, by.
b8.) in certain cases where the object of an action may be treated as the instrument by which it is effected; according to the context: visually proclaim; to invoke; to name honorably.
b9.) with reference to the limits enclosing a space, within.
b10.) In: strictly, of position in a place (which often is expressed more precisely by. Through, preceded by a verb of motion.
b11.) of presence in the midst of something, among.
b12.) specifying the parts of which a whole consists.
b13.) implying eminency among.
b14.) often with verbs of motion, when the movement to a place results in rest in it, into: after to send; in among
b15.) to return (and rest) in thy God. (with) eye (looking) into eye; the eyes of ... are upon, both in favorable and hostile sense.
b16.) With : of accompaniment; often of what one takes or brings with one. Hence without of concomitant (or surrounding) conditions; of the instrument or means: as with, by, through.
b17.) of the material with which a work is wrought
b18.) idiom, with certain verbs, with, by, by means of. through (by His aid). allied is the use of in such phrases as to bless, swear, speak, prophesy, etc., in the name of ... (i.e. the name being used or appealed to in the act); almost = in the authority and power of. by means of what? how? by means of this; with this = on this condition.
b18.) of cost or price (the Beth pretii), the price, whether given or received, being treated as the instrumental means by which the act is accomplished, with, for, at the cost of: a. with hire, redeem, freae betroth, buy; at the cost of his life hath A. spoken this word, who went. at peril of their lives, at the price of his firstborn shall he lay its foundations.
b19.) in comparisons, in the form of, as.
b20.) Denoting proximity : at, by (rare).

An interesting 'bet' related word:
strong's 5674 `abar {aw-bar'}
Meaning:
1) to pass over or by or through, alienate, bring, carry,
do away, take, take away, transgress
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to pass over, cross, cross over, pass over, march over, overflow, go over
1a2) to pass beyond 1a3) to pass through, traverse
1a3a) passers-through (participle)
1a3b) to pass through (the parts of victim in covenant)
1a4) to pass along, pass by, overtake and pass, sweep by
1a4a) passer-by (participle)
1a4b) to be past, be over
1a5) to pass on, go on, pass on before, go in advance of, pass along, travel, advance
1a6) to pass away
1a6a) to emigrate, leave (one's territory)
1a6b) to vanish
1a6c) to perish, cease to exist
1a6d) to become invalid, become obsolete (of law, decree)
1a6e) to be alienated, pass into other hands
1b) (Niphal) to be crossed 1c) (Piel) to impregnate, cause to cross
1d) (Hiphil)
1d1) to cause to pass over, cause to bring over, cause to cross over, make over to, dedicate, devote
1d2) to cause to pass through
1d3) to cause to pass by or beyond or under, let pass by
1d4) to cause to pass away, cause to take away 1e) (Hithpael) to pass over
Origin: a primitive root; 1556; v.


That would completely go along with:
Ephesians 1:9-12
9And hath opened unto us the mystery of his will according to his pleasure, and purposed  10the same in himself to have it declared when the time were full come, that all things, both the things which are in heaven, and also the things which are in earth, should be gathered together, even in Christ: that is to say in him  11in whom we are made heirs, and were thereto predestinate according to the purpose of him which worketh all things after the purpose of his own will:  12that we should be unto the praise of his glory, which before hoped in Christ.  


John 1:1-3
1In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word.  2The same was in the beginning with god.  3All things were made by it, and without it, was made no thing, that made was.  

Joh 1:3 All things were made by {dia} it, <|the same|> and without it, <|the same|> was made no thing, that made was. <was made.>

Colossians 1:13-17
13Which hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear son,  14in whom we have redemption thorow his blood, that is to say, forgiveness of sins,  15which is the image of the invisible God, first begotten before all creatures:  16for by him were all things created, things that are in heaven, and things that are in earth: things visible, and things invisible: whether they be majesty or lordship, either rule or power.  17All things are created by him, and in him, and he is before all things, and in him all things have their being.  
Col 1:17 All things are created by {dia} him, and in {ice} him, and he is before all things, and in him all things have their being.
Code:
Word: εις
Pronounced: ice
Strong:  G1519
 a primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or  entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.);  also in adverbial phrases:--(abundant-)ly, against, among, as, at,  (back-)ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more  exceeding, for (intent, purpose), fore,  + forth, in (among, at, unto, -so much that, -to), to the  intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-)on, + perish, + set at  one again, (so) that, therefore(-unto), throughout, til, to (be, the  end, -ward), (here-)until(-to), ...ward, (where-)fore, with. Often  used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs  (etc.) expressing motion (literally or figuratively).


Mark 13:32
But of the day and the hour, knoweth no man: no not the angels which are in heaven: neither the son himself, save the father only.
Thus it is the manner how that onely the heavenly father revealeth according to his perfect timing that matters.

1 John 5:6-8
6This Jesus Christ is he that came by water and blood, not by water only: but by water and blood. And it is the spirit that beareth witness, because the spirit is truth.  7(For there are three which bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and the wholy ghost. And these three are one.)  8And there are three which bear record (in earth:) the spirit, and water, and blood: and these three are one.  

Here's a perfect ensample how that the onely that deserves credence is the wholy ghost of God (that brings the verity to remembrance for the spiritually minded.)

Though manuscripts have changed, what endureth from generation to generation is the truth of the law and the testimony. If it speaks not after this meaning, then it's not verity.
Thus when the fruits are spiritually examined, in this diligent manner the truth comes to light. The reformers well knew this, and the rulers of today ought to learn from those dire past lessons lest they repeat such great calamity.
No wonder on the 1530 Pentateuch prologue WT strongly adverted against his fellow Roman Catholic scholars and prelates (who excommunicated him):
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When I had translated the new testament, I added a pistel unto the latter end, in which I desired them that were learned to amend if ought were found amiss. But our malicious and wily hypocrites which are so stubborn and hard hearted in their wicked abominations that it is not possible for them to amend any thing at all (as we see by daily experience, when both their livings and doings are rebuked with the truth) say, some of them that it is impossible to translate the scripture into English, some that it is not lawful for the lay people to have it in their mother tongue, some, that it would make them all heretics, as it would no doubt from many things which they of long time have falsely taught, and that is the whole cause wherefore they forbid it, though they other cloaks pretend. And some or rather every one, say that it would make them rise against the king, whom they themselves (unto their damnation) never yet obeyed. And lest the temporal rulers should see their falsehood, if the scripture came to light, causeth them so to lie. And as for my translation in which they affirm unto the lay people (as I have heard say) to be I wot not how many thousand heresies, so that it cannot be mended or correct, they have yet taken so great pain to examine it, and to compare it unto that they would fain have it and to their own imaginations and juggling terms, and to have somewhat to rail at, and under that cloak to blaspheme the truth, that they might with as little labour (as I suppose) have translated the most part of the bible. For they which in times past were wont to look on no more scripture than they found in their Duns or such like devilish doctrine, have yet now so narrowly looked on my translation, that there is not so much as one i therein if it lack a tittle over his head, but they have noted it, and number it unto the ignorant people for an heresy. Finally in this they be all agreed, to drive you from the knowledge of the scripture, and that ye shall not have the text thereof in the mother tongue, and to keep the world still in darkness, to the intent they might sit in the consciences of the people, thorow vain superstition and false doctrine, to satisfy their filthy lusts, their proud ambition, and unsatiable covetousness, and to exalt their own honour above king and emperor, yea and above God himself.

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Under what manner therefore should I now submit this book to be corrected and amended of them which can suffer nothing to be well? Or what protestation should I make in such a matter unto our prelates those stubborn Nimrods which so mightily fight against God, and resist his holy spirit, enforcing with all craft and subtlety to quench the light of the everlasting testament, promises, and appointment made between God and us: and heaping the fierce wrath of God upon all princes and rulers, mocking them with false feigned names of hypocrisy, and serving their lusts at all points, and dispensing with them even of the very laws of God, of which Christ himself testifieth, Matt. v. that not so much as one tittle thereof may perish, or be broken. And of which the prophet saith, Psalm cxviij. Thou hast commanded thy laws to be kept meod, that is in Hebrew exceedingly, with all diligence, might and power and have made them so mad with their juggling charms and crafty persuasions that they think it a full satisfaction for all their wicked lying, to torment such as tell them truth, and to burn the word of their souls' health, and slay whosoever believe thereon.


James chapter 4 emphasizes that important lesson and even dire warning thereof:
James 4:1-17
1From whence cometh war, and fighting among you? come they not here hence? even of your voluptuousness that raineth in your members.  2Ye lust, and have not. Ye envy and have indignation, and cannot come by it. Ye fight and war, and have not, because ye ask not.  3Ye ask and have not, because ye ask amiss, for to consume it upon your voluptuousness.  4Ye advoutrers, and women that break matrimony: know ye not how that the friendship of the world is enmity to Godward? Whosoever will be friend of the world, is made the enemy of God.  5Do ye suppose that the scripture saith in vain: The spirit that dwelleth in you, lusteth even contrary to envy:  6but giveth more grace. ([wherefore he sayeth: God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the lowly.])  7Submit yourselves to God, and resist the devil, and he will flee from you.  8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands ye sinners, and purge your hearts ye wavering minded.  9Suffer afflictions: sorrow ye and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.  10Cast down yourselves before the Lord, and he shall lift you up.  11Backbite not one another, brethren. He that backbiteth his brother, and he that judgeth his brother, backbiteth the law, and judgeth the law: but and if thou judge the law, thou art not an observer of the law: but a judge.  12There is one law giver, ([and judge]) which is able to save and to destroy. What art thou that judgest another man?  13Go to now ye that say: today and tomorrow let us go into such a city and continue there a year and buy, and sell, and win:  14and yet cannot tell what shall happen tomorrow. For what thing is your life? it is even a vapor that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away:  15For that ye ought to say: if the Lord will and if we live, let us do this or that.  16But now ye rejoice in your boastings. All such rejoicing is evil.  17Therefore to him that knoweth how to do good, and doth it not, it is sin.  


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#14:  Author: hemanLocation: Joplin, MO, USA PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:36 pm
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John 1:1-3
1In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word. 2The same was in the beginning with god. 3All things were made by
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it, and without it, was made no thing, that made was.


I do not think the word "IT" quite gets the point through.

God still lives and asked me to tell you and the rest of the world, that HE is alive and well.

My prayer was answered this Thursday night, when my daughter was removed from life support and had been in a long coma. I asked God to give her my place, if their was any space reserved for me.

He answered that same night when she opened her eyes and spoke to us.

Praise God!

#15: wish you & yours great health Author: JAdmin PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:51 am
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1 Corinthians 2:6-10
6We speak that which is wisdom among them that are perfect: not the wisdom of this world neither of the rulers of this world (which goeth to nought,)  7but we speak the wisdom of God, which is in secret and lieth hid, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:  8which wisdom none of the rulers of the world knew. For had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory:  9but as it is written: The eye hath not seen, and the ear hath not heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.  10But God hath opened them unto us by his spirit. For the spirit searcheth all things, yea the bottom of God's secrets.  
1 Corinthians 4:1-5
1Let men this wise esteem us, even as the ministers of Christ, and disposers of the secrets of God.  2Furthermore it is required of the disposers that they be found faithful.  3With me is it but a very small thing, that I should be judged of you, either of man's day. No I judge not mine own self.  4I know nought by myself: yet am I not thereby justified. It is the Lord that judgeth me.  5Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, which will lighten things that are hid in darkness: and open the counsels of the hearts. And then shall every man have praise of God.  


heman wrote:
Quote:
John 1:1-3
1In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word. 2The same was in the beginning with god. 3All things were made by
Quote:
it, and without it, was made no thing, that made was.


I do not think the word "IT" quite gets the point through.


At first I thought "him" does get the point thorow (of course if acknowledging God?s son.) Still by rendering "it" or "the same" best translates the original tongue because the passage as a whole is alluding to an important detail that the word was first conceived within the very God to then dwell among us in the flesh (Emmanuel.)
Many passages back up that fact:

Isaiah 7:14
And therefore the Lord shall give you a token of himself: Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel.


Matthew 1:18-23
18The birth of Christ was on this wise, when his mother Mary was married unto Joseph, before they came to dwell together, she was found with child by the holy ghost.  19Then her husband Joseph being a perfect man, and loth to defame her, was minded to put her away secretly.  20While he thus thought, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in sleep saying: Joseph the son of David, fear not to take unto thee, Mary thy wife. For that which is conceived in her, is of the holy ghost.  21She shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus. For he shall save his people from their sins.  22All this was done to fulfil that which was spoken of the Lord, by the prophet saying:  23Behold a maid shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shalt call his name Emmanuel, which is as much to say, by interpretation, as God with us.  


Even as God utilized Mary to shew it:
Luke 2:25-35
25And behold there was a man in Hierusalem, whose name was Simeon. And the same man was just and feared God, and longed for the consolation of Israel, and the holy ghost was in him.  26And an answer was given him of the holy ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.  27And he came by inspiration into the temple. And as the father and mother brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law.  28Then took he him up in his arms and said:  29Lord Now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace according to thy promise.  30For mine eyes have seen the saviour sent from thee:  31Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people.  32A light to lighten the gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.  33And his father and mother marveled at those things, which were spoken of him:  34And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother: behold, this child shall be the fall, and resurrection of many in Israel: And a sign which shall be spoken against.  35And moreover the sword shall pierce the very heart of thee, that the thoughts of many hearts may be opened.  


And likewise in the later verse of John:
John 1:14
And that word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw the glory of it, as the glory of the only begotten son of the father, which word was full of grace, and verity.


And as the Epistels preached thorow the Gospell:
Romans 16:25-27
25To him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, where with I preach Jesus Christ, in opening of the mystery which was kept close since the world began,  26and now is opened at this time and declared in the scriptures of prophecy, at the commandment of the everlasting God, to stir up obedience to the faith published among all nations:  27To the same God, which alone is wise, be ([honour and]) praise thorow Jesus Christ for ever Amen. To the Romans. Sent from Corrinthum by Phebe, she that was the minister unto the congregation at Chenchrea.  


Ephesians 1:3-12
3Blessed be God the father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which hath blessed us with all manner of spiritual blessings in heavenly things by Christ,  4according as he had chosen us in him thorow love, before the foundation of the world was laid, that we should be saints, and without blame in his sight.  5And ordained us before unto him self that we should be chosen to heirs thorow Jesus Christ, according to the pleasure of his will,  6to the praise of his glorious grace, where with he hath made us accepted in the beloved.  7By whom we have redemption thorow his blood, that is to say the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace,  8which grace he shed on us abundantly in all wisdom, and prudency.   9And hath opened unto us the mystery of his will according to his pleasure, and purposed  10the same in himself to have it declared when the time were full come, that all things, both the things which are in heaven, and also the things which are in earth, should be gathered together, even in Christ: that is to say in him  11in whom we are made heirs, and were thereto predestinate according to the purpose of him which worketh all things after the purpose of his own will:  12that we should be unto the praise of his glory, which before hoped in Christ.  


1 Timothy 3:16
And without nay great is that mystery of godliness. God was shewed in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, was seen of angels, was preached unto the gentiles, was believed on in earth and received up in glory.


And revealed by the Lord himself:
Revelation 3:14-22
14And unto the angel of the congregation which is in Laodicia write: This saith (amen) the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creatures of God.  15I know thy works that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou were cold or hot.  16So then because thou art between both, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth:  17because thou sayst thou art rich and increased with goods, and hast need of nothing, and knowest not how thou art wretched and miserable, poor, blind, and naked.  18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayst be rich: and white raiment, that thou mayst be clothed, that thy filthy nakedness do not appear: and anoint thine eyes with eye salve, that thou mayst see.  19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Be fervent therefore and repent.  20Behold I stand at the door and knock. If any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in unto him and will sup with him, and he with me.  21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my seat, even as I overcame and have sitten with my father, in his seat.  22Let him that hath ears, hear what the spirit saith unto the congregations.  



Heman wrote:

God still lives and asked me to tell you and the rest of the world, that HE is alive and well.

My prayer was answered this Thursday night, when my daughter was removed from life support and had been in a long coma. I asked God to give her my place, if their was any space reserved for me.

He answered that same night when she opened her eyes and spoke to us.

Praise God!


Praise the Lord!
What did she first say?
(sorry for the late response; as i moved recently and just got internet re-connected)

The living God can reveal things to us in a manner we may not expect.

Isaiah 8:1-22
1Moreover the LORD said unto me: Take thee a great leaf, and write in it, as men do with a pen, that he speed him to rob, and haste him to spoil.  2And immediately I called unto me faithful witnesses, Uriah the priest, and Zachariah the son of Barachiah.  3After that went I unto the Prophetess, that now had conceived and born a son. Then said the LORD to me: give him this name: Maherschalal hashbas, that is: (a speedy robber: an hasty spoiler).  4For why, or ever the child shall have knowledge to say: Abi and Im, (that is father, and mother): shall the riches of Damascus and the substance of Samaria be taken away, thorow the king of the Assirians.  5The LORD spake also unto me, saying:  6For so much as the people refuseth the still running water of Silo, and put their delight in Razin and Romelie's son:  7Behold the Lord shall bring mighty and great floods of water upon them: namely, the king of the Assirians with all his power. Which shall pour out his furriousness upon every man, and run over all their banks.  8And shall break in upon Juda, increasing in power, till he get him by the throat. He shall fill also the wideness of thy land with his broad wings, O Emmanuel.  9Go together ye people, and gather you, hearken to all ye of far countries. Muster you, and gather you: muster you and gather you,  10take your counsel together, yet must your counsel come to nought: go in hand withal, yet shall it not prosper. Except Emmanuel: (that is God) be with us.  11For the LORD chastised me, and took me by the hand, and warned me, saying unto me: that I should not walk in the ways of this people. He said moreover:  12round with none of them, whosoever say: yonder people are bound together. Nevertheless fear them not, neither be afraid of them,  13but sanctify the LORD of Hosts, let him be your fear and dread.  14For he is the sanctifying, and stone to stumble at, the rock to fall upon, a snare and net to both the houses: to Israel, and the inhabiters of Jerusalem.  15And many shall stumble, fall, and be broken upon him: yea they shall be snared and taken.  16Now lay the witness together (said the Lord) and seal the law with my disciples.  17Thus I wait upon the LORD that hath turned his face from the house of Jacob, and I look unto him.  18But lo, as for me, and the children which the LORD hath given me: we are a token and a wonder in Israel, for the LORD of Hosts' sake, which dwelleth upon the hill of Sion.  19And therefore if they say unto you: ask counsel at the soothsayers, witches, charmers and conjurers, then make them this answer: Is there a people any where, that asketh not counsel at his God: whether it be concerning the dead, or the living?  20If any man want light, let him look upon the law and the testimony whether they speak not after this meaning.  21If he do not this he stumbleth and suffereth hunger. And if he suffer hunger, he is out of patience, and blasphemeth his king and his God. Then looketh he upward, and downward to the earth,  22and behold, there is trouble and darkness vexation is round about him, and the cloud of error. And out of such adversity, shall he not escape.  


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#16: Thou shalt not foist Author: hemanLocation: Joplin, MO, USA PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:18 pm
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Thank you, she was happy to know I prayed. She had not anything to eat or drink for 6 days and the seventh day she awoke and could only say "ice". The respiratory tube had made her throat very sore. I prayed again with her thanking God as tears rolled down her face.

How interesting your post is to say the least, for God certainly works in mysterious ways.

II Cor 2:14 But thanks be unto God which always leads us to triumph in the Anointed, and openeth the odor of his knowledge through us in every place. 2:15 That of Christ, we are unto God a sweet odor, in those being saved, and in those perishing: 2:16 to them indeed an odor from death into death: but to those an odor from life into life. And for these things who is fit enough? 2:17 For we are not as many are to foist the word of God: but as from pureness, but as from God we speak in the Anointed, facing (2713) κατεναντι God.

(2585) καπηλευοντεσ Foist: v.t. to conceal in the hand, palm off, to put in slyly or stealthily; insert surreptitiously, to pass off (something false) as genuine; impose by fraud

#17: Provide honesty beforehand to God and men. Author: JAdmin PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:49 pm
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Heman wrote:
Thank you, she was happy to know I prayed. She had not anything to eat or drink for 6 days and the seventh day she awoke and could only say "ice". The respiratory tube had made her throat very sore. I prayed again with her thanking God as tears rolled down her face.

How interesting your post is to say the least, for God certainly works in mysterious ways.


Did she get the ice?
The poor soul seems to be going through a lot.
I pray she will be able to have food and drink also with much health in Jesu Christ.


How amazing it was said on the prior post:
Quote:
Col 1:17 All things are created by {dia} him, and in {ice} him, and he is before all things, and in him all things have their being.
Code:
Word: εις
Pronounced: ice
Strong:  G1519
 a primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or  entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.);  also in adverbial phrases:--(abundant-)ly, against, among, as, at,  (back-)ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more  exceeding, for (intent, purpose), fore,  + forth, in (among, at, unto, -so much that, -to), to the  intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-)on, + perish, + set at  one again, (so) that, therefore(-unto), throughout, til, to (be, the  end, -ward), (here-)until(-to), ...ward, (where-)fore, with. Often  used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs  (etc.) expressing motion (literally or figuratively).


Collossians thoroughly hints at the greatest detail:
Quote:
Col 1:13 Which hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear son,
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption thorow his blood, that is to say, <|namely the|> forgiveness of sins,
Col 1:15 which is the image of the invisible God, first begotten before <of> all creatures:
Col 1:16 for by him were all things created, things that are in heaven, and things that are in earth: things visible, and things invisible: whether they be majesty or lordship, either rule or power.
Col 1:17 All things are created by him, and in him, and he is before all things, and in him all things have their being.


Therefore; is it a foist to express "IT" for the same word being conceived in the mind of God before it was begotten?

Joh 1:3 All things were made by it, <|the same|> and without it, <Gr. choris autos: without relation to the same> was made no thing, that was made.

Moreover, English does not give "word" a gender, but just calls word a it. Here's a perfect ensample how languages express words differently; for ensample in Portuguese word is palavra and is feminine, and amazingly when the New Testament was first translated from Greek into Portuguese was at liberty to render it:

Jo 1:1 No princ?pio era a palavra, e a palavra estava com Deus, e Deus era a palavra.
Jo 1:2 Esta estava no princ?pio junto a Deus.
Jo 1:3 Todas [as coisas] foram feitas por ela, e sem ela nada do que foi feito se fez.

Translated:

Jo 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and God was that word.
Jo 1:2 She was in the beginning united to God.
Jo 1:3 All [things] were made by her, and without her no thing was made that made was.

How GREAT is the splendor of almighty God in how he expresses his verity from generation to generation in whatever language.

Code:
And without nay <without a doubt> great is that mystery of godliness. God was shewed in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, was seen of angels, was preached unto the gentiles, was believed on in earth and received up in glory. -1Ti 3:16



Quote:
2Co 2:14 Thanks be unto God which always giveth us the victory in Christ, and openeth the savor of his knowledge by us in every place.
2Co 2:15 For we are unto God the sweet savor <|good favour|> of Christ, both among them that are saved, and also among them which perish:
2Co 2:16 to the one part are we the savor of death unto death: <[.And]> unto the other part are we the savor of life unto life. And who is meet unto these things?
2Co 2:17 For we are not as many are which chop and change with the word of God: but as they which speak <but even out> of pureness, and as they which speak <by the power> of God <[and]> in the sight of God, so speak we in Christ.


2 Corinthians 5:9-11
9Wherefore we endeavor ourselves, whether we be at home or from home, to please God.   10For we must all be brought before the judgement seat of Christ that every man may receive the works of his body according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad?  11Seeing then that we know how the Lord is to be feared, we fare fair with men. For we are known well enough unto God. I trust also that we are known in your consciences.  


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#18: Food for Thought Author: hemanLocation: Joplin, MO, USA PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:40 am
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Amen, and thank you for that enlightenment. "It" sounds as if you are truly a "man of God". May He bless you continually, now and in the "blink" of the eye.

She is taking food now, as well as spiritual, as I told her, we all fall short and are in need of the Favor of God, though our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
So be "IT".



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