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... Which then reads: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared God." |
John 1:18 |
No man saw god at any time. The only begotten son, which is in the father's bosom, hath declared him. |
1 John 5:12 |
He that hath the son, hath life: and he that hath not the son of God, hath not life. |
heman wrote: |
The Codex Vaticanus
Jo 1:18 "only begotten God" |
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Joh 4:24 God is a spirit, and they that worship him, must honour <worship> him, in spirit and verity. <trouth, or real fidelity of truth> |
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2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into <|are come in to|> the world, which confess not that Jesus Christ is como <(as coming, or returning)> in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jo 1:8 Look on yourselves, that we loose not that we have wrought: but that we may have <|receive|> a full reward. 2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth and bideth not <|abideth not|> in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that endureth <|abideth|> in the doctrine of Christ, hath both the father, and the son. |
John 1:17-19 |
17For the law was given by Moses, but favour and verity came by Jesus Christ. 18No man saw god at any time. The only begotten son, which is in the father's bosom, hath declared him. 19And this is the record of John: When the jews sent priests, and levites from Jerusalem, to ask him, what art thou? |
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Taking into account that there's no credible witnesses in agreement to the rendering "only begotten God" at Jo 1:18; ironically even brings to attention the second letter of John:
That of course agrees with:
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John 1:18 (Amplified Bible)
18No man has ever seen God at any time; the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].(A Footnotes: a. John 1:18 James Moulton and George Milligan, The Vocabulary of the Greek Testament. |
Heman wrote: |
b. John 1:18 Marvin Vincent, Word Studies in the New Testament: This reading is supported by "a great mass of ancient evidence." |
2 Peter 2:1-3 |
1There were false prophets among the people even as there shall be false teachers among you: which privily shall bring in damnable sects, even denying the Lord that hath bought them, and bring on their own heads swift damnation, 2and many shall follow their damnable ways, by which the way of truth shall be evil spoken of, 3and thorow covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you, whose judgment is not far off, and their damnation sleepeth not. |
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Doesn't that go against sound doctrine according to: 1Co 8:5 And though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there be gods many and lords many) 1Co 8:6 but <yet> unto us is there <but> one God, which is the father, of whom are all things, and we in him: and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. No wonder apostle Paul said to the Corinthians: 2Co 11:3 But I fear lest as the serpent beguiled Eve, thorow <|with|> his subtlety, even so your wits should be corrupt from the singleness that is in Christ.
What "great mass of ancient evidence" is he talking about? And only because there's a "mass" majority agreeing to something, it doesn't automatically make it true either. (Yea see post Ps. 68:27 DILIGENCIA in reverence to the Sovereign LORd) Ironically the fact of the matter is that there were likely more ancient false prophets than there were truely devout.
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heman wrote: |
You must have missed the most important part! Which then reads: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared God." |
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1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the son, the same hath not the father. ([he that knowledgeth the sonne, hath the father also]) |
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1.18 μονογενης θεός {B} With the acquisition of P66 and P75, both of which read θεός , the external support of this reading has been notably strengthened. Some modern commentators take ; as a noun and punctuate so as to have three distinct designations of him who makes God known μονογενής(μονογενής, θεός, ο ων εις τον κόλπον του πατρος). |
John 1:28 |
These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John did baptise. |
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Strong: G962
Pronounc: bay-thab-ar-ah' Orig: of Hebrew origin H1004 and H5679 Use: Noun Location ferry-house; Bethabara (i.e. Bethabarah), a place on the Jordan:--Bethabara. Bethabara = "house of the ford" 1) a place beyond Jordan, where John was baptising. This may correspond to Bethbarah (fords of Abarah), the ancient ford of the Jordan on the road to Gilead Strong: H1004 Pronounc: bah'-yith Noun Masculine probably from 1129 abbreviated; a house (in the greatest variation of applications, especially family, etc.):--court, daughter, door, + dungeon, family, + forth of, X great as would contain, hangings, home(born), (winter)house(-hold), inside(-ward), palace, place, + prison, + steward, + tablet, temple, web, + within(-out). nm 1) house 1a) house, dwelling habitation 1b) shelter or abode of animals 1c) human bodies (fig.) 1d) of Sheol 1e) of abode of light and darkness 1f) of land of Ephraim 2) place 3) receptacle 4) home, house as containing a family 5) household, family 5a) those belonging to the same household 5b) family of descendants, descendants as organized body 6) household affairs 7) inwards (metaph.) 8) (TWOT) temple adv 9) on the inside prep 10) within Strong: H1129 Pronounc: baw-naw' a primitive root; to build (literally and figuratively):--(begin to) build(-er), obtain children, make, repair, set (up), X surely. 1) to build, rebuild, establish, cause to continue 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to build, rebuild 1a2) to build a house (ie, establish a family) 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be built 1b2) to be rebuilt 1b3) established (of restored exiles) (fig.) 1b4) established (made permanent) 1b5) to be built up (of childless wife becoming the mother of a family through the children of a concubine) Strong: H5679 Pronounc: ab-aw-raw' from 5674; a crossing-place:--ferry, plain (from the margin). 1) ford Strong: H5674 Pronounc: aw-bar' a primitive root; to cross over; used very widely of any transition (literal or figurative; transitive, intransitive, intensive, causative); specifically, to cover (in copulation):--alienate, alter, X at all, beyond, bring (over, through), carry over, (over-)come (on, over), conduct (over), convey over, current, deliver, do away, enter, escape, fail, gender, get over, (make) go (away, beyond, by, forth, his way, in, on, over, through), have away (more), lay, meddle, overrun, make partition, (cause to, give, make to, over) pass(-age, along, away, beyond, by, -enger, on, out, over, through), (cause to, make) + proclaim(-amation), perish, provoke to anger, put away, rage, + raiser of taxes, remove, send over, set apart, + shave, cause to (make) sound, X speedily, X sweet smelling, take (away), (make to) transgress(-or), translate, turn away, (way-)faring man, be wrath. 1) to pass over or by or through, alienate, bring, carry, do away, take, take away, transgress 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to pass over, cross, cross over, pass over, march over, overflow, go over 1a2) to pass beyond 1a3) to pass through, traverse 1a3a) passers-through (participle) 1a3b) to pass through (the parts of victim in covenant) 1a4) to pass along, pass by, overtake and pass, sweep by 1a4a) passer-by (participle) 1a4b) to be past, be over 1a5) to pass on, go on, pass on before, go in advance of, pass along, travel, advance 1a6) to pass away 1a6a) to emigrate, leave (one's territory) 1a6b) to vanish 1a6c) to perish, cease to exist 1a6d) to become invalid, become obsolete (of law, decree) 1a6e) to be alienated, pass into other hands 1b) (Niphal) to be crossed 1c) (Piel) to impregnate, cause to cross 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cause to pass over, cause to bring over, cause to cross over, make over to, dedicate, devote 1d2) to cause to pass through 1d3) to cause to pass by or beyond or under, let pass by 1d4) to cause to pass away, cause to take away 1e) (Hithpael) to pass over |
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What is missing is the word son, otherwise it sounds contrary to the expressive style of John:
Ironically, though unintended in your post due to a lack of semicolon to represent the greek letter ς .. nonetheless brings to attention Strong's Greek number 962 that is not far within John chapter I that implies an interesting corrolation of another John who is the baptiser:
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Heman wrote: |
Sorry, when I posted the image it was not where I wanted it. I failed to move "ς" along with the rest of the image. |
Heman wrote: |
However, concerning the actual translation you can compare these images below with the text of P66, P75, the Vaticanus, and WT.
1.18 μονογενης θεός {B} With the acquisition of P66 and P75, both of which read θεός , the external support of this reading has been notably strengthened. |
Isaiah 8:20 |
If any man want light, let him look upon the law and the testimony whether they speak not after this meaning. |
Isaiah 28:10 |
Command that may be commanded, bid that may be bidden, forbid that may be forbidden, keep back that may be kept back, here a little, there a little. |
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Scribal Errors in WT 1:3 All through Him was done and without Him was done not even that had been done (WT)All things were made by it,|the same| and without it,|the same| was made no thing, that made was.{was made.} 1:4 Into Him (WT) In it|him| was life; And {the} life was the light of men; Codex Vaticanus (B or 03), (Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana, Ms. Vat. gr. 1209); We find in this codex the same reading as in P75,P66. |
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Luke 23:32 To avoid the implication in this text that Jesus was also a criminal, most Greek witnesses have changed the sequence of words to solve the difficulty. Of the modern translations, the Revised Standard Version, the New American Standard Bible and the New International Version and WT, all follow the largest number of manuscripts instead of the stronger support based on antiquity and on internal evidence. P75, Sinaiticus, Vaticanus = "Ηγοντο δε και ετεροι κακουργοι συν αυτω αναιρεθηναι" And also other crininals two were led away to be put to death with him. (WT) 23:32 There were two evil doerst led with him to be slain. |
Luke 23:32 |
There were two evil doers led with him to be slain. |
Matthew 26:51-56 |
51And behold, one of them which were with Jesus, stretched out his hand and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest, and smote off his ear. 52Then said Jesus unto him: Put up thy sword into his sheath. For all they that lay hands on the sword, shall perish with the sword. 53Either thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my father, and he shall give me ([even now]) more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then should the scriptures be fulfilled, for so must it be. 55The same time said Jesus to the multitude: Ye be come out as it were unto a thief, with swords and staves for to take me: daily I sat among you teaching in the temple, and ye took me not. 56All this was done that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him and fled. |
Galatians 3:13 |
Christ hath delivered us from the curse of the law, and was made a cursed for us (for it is written: Cursed is everyone that hangeth on tree) |
1 Timothy 1:15-17 |
15This is a true saying, and by all means worthy to be received, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief: 16Notwithstanding unto me was mercy given, that Jesus Christ should first shew on me all long patience, unto the ensample of them which shall in time to come believe on him unto eternal life. 17So then unto God, King everlasting, immortal, invisible, and wise only, be honour and praise for ever and ever Amen. |
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