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FLAT EARTH plate FULL of it!

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FLAT EARTH plate FULL of it!

Postby jadmin » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:42 pm

2 Thessalonians 2:1-17
1We beseech you brethren by the coming of our Lord Jesu Christ, and in that we shall assemble unto him,  2that ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, and be not troubled, neither by spirit, neither by words, nor yet by letter, which should seem to come from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.  3Let no man deceive you by any means, for the Lord cometh not, except there come a departing first, and that that sinful man be opened, the son of perdition  4which is an adversary, and is exalted above all that is called god, or that is worshipped: so that he shall sit in the temple of god, and shew himself as god.  5Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?  6And now ye know what withholdeth: even that he might be uttered at his time.  7For already the mystery of iniquity worketh. Only he that holdeth, let him now hold, until it be taken out of the way,  8and then shall that wicked be uttered, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the appearance of his coming,  9even him whose coming is by the working of Satan, with all lying power, signs, and wonders:  10and in all deceivableness of unrighteousness, among them that perish: because they received not the love of the truth, that they might have been saved.  11And therefore God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe lies:  12that all they might be damned which believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.  13 We are bound to give thanks alway to God for you brethren beloved of the Lord, for because that God hath from the beginning chosen you to health, thorow sanctifying of the spirit; And thorow believing the truth:  14whereunto he called you by our gospel, to obtain the glory that cometh of our Lord Jesu Christ.  15Therefore brethren stand fast and keep the ordinations, which ye have learned: whether it were by our preaching, or by our pistel:  16Our Lord Jesu Christ himself, and God our father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation, and good hope thorow grace,  17comfort your hearts, and establish you in all saying, and good doing.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible
1 Corinthians 13:12
Now we see in a glass even in a dark speaking: but then shall we see face to face. Now I know unperfectly: but then shall I know even as I am known.
- Tyndale and friends Bible

There's a saying "ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME" and indeed that encompasses many evil historical roads, such as: the hellionistic globe model as some knowledge seekers state that has been conspired to be propagated globally; and indeed that they lie about the shape of the earth (and it's firm realm) because there's no "funding" without the moving globe model being on the table: where in turn they can't play their big bang game without the ball, and without the big bang model the theory of evolution doesn't hold water and can't be adapted, and without the theory of evolution - then exposes how extraterrestrials are something far more sinister which stem from the manifestations of fallen creatures and their devices that have unfaithfully and hurtfully with disobedience (in prideful rebellion cursing against their loving Creator) deserted their blessed abode since creation, and moreover without all the lies (i.e. "empty space" instead of the Creator and HIS heavens above the waters on the firmament sky with it's stars) then otherwise people will truly start thinking about God.
Brings into remembrance:
Jude 1
1Judas the servant of Jesus Christ, the brother of James. To them which are called and sanctified in God the father, and preserved in Christ Jesus.  2Mercy unto you, and peace and love be multiplied.  3Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common health: it was needful for me to write unto you, to exhort you, that ye should continually labour in the faith, which was once given unto the saints.  4For there are certain craftily crept in, of which it was written aforetime unto such judgement. They are ungodly, and turn the grace of our Lord God unto wantonness; And deny God the only Lord, and our Lord Jesus Christ.  5My mind is therefore to put you in remembrance, forasmuch as ye once know this, how that the Lord (after that he had delivered the people out of Egypt) destroyed them which afterward believed not:  6The angels also, which kept not their first estate: but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day:  7even as Zodom, and Gomor, and the cities about them (which in like manner defiled themselves, with fornication, and followed strange flesh) are set forth for an example, and suffer the vengeance of eternal fire.  8Likewise these dreamers defile the flesh, despise rulers, and speak evil of them that are in authority.  9Yet Michael the archangel (when he strove against the devil, and disputed the body of Moses) durst not give railing sentence, but said: The Lord rebuke thee.  10But these speak evil of those things which they know not. In those things which they know naturally (as beasts which are without reason) they corrupt themselves.  11Woe be unto them, for they have followed the way of Cain, and are spilt in the error of Balaam for lucre's sake, and are cast away in the treason of Core.  12These are spots which of your kindness feast together, without fear, feeding themselves. Clouds they are without water, carried about of winds: Trees rotten in autumn, unfruitfull, twice dead, and plucked up by the roots.  13They are raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame. They are wandering stars, to whom is reserved the mist of darkness for ever.  14Enoch the seventh from Adam prophesied before of such saying: Behold, the Lord shall come with thousands of saints,  15to give judgement against all men, and to rebuke all that are ungodly among them, of all their ungodly deeds, which they have ungodly committed, and of all their cruel speakings, which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.  16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts, whose mouth's speak proud things. They have men in great reverence because of advantage.  17But ye beloved remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ,  18how that they told you that there should be beguilers in the last time, which should walk after their own ungodly lusts.  19These are makers of sects, natural, having no spirit.  20But ye dearly beloved, edify yourselves in your most wholy faith, praying in the wholy ghost,  21and keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, unto eternal life.  22And have compassion on some, separating them:  23and other save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, (and have compassion on the other) and hate the filthy vesture of the flesh.  24Unto him that is able to keep you, that ye fall not, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with joy, (at the coming of oure lorde Iesu Christ)  25that is to say, to God our saviour (thorow Iesus Christ oure lord) which only is wise, be glory, majesty, dominion, and power, (before all worldes) now and for ever Amen.    
- Tyndale and friends Bible

Romans 1:22-31
22When they counted themselves wise, they became fools  23and turned the glory of the immortal God, unto the similitude of the image of mortal man, and of birds, and four footed beasts and serpents.  24For this cause God gave them up unto their hearts' lusts, unto uncleanness to defile their own bodies between themselves:  25which turned his truth unto a lie, and worshipped and served the creatures more than the maker, which is blessed forever Amen.  26For this cause God gave them up unto shameful lusts. For even their women did change the natural use unto the unnatural.  27And likewise also the men left the natural use of the woman, and brent in lust one on another among themselves. And man with man wrought filthiness, and received in themselves the reward of their error as it was according.  28And as it seemed not good unto them to be aknown of God, even so God delivered them up unto a lewd mind, that they should do those things which were not comely,  29being full of all unrighteous doing, of fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, evil conditioned whisperers,  30backbiters, haters of God, doers of wrong, proud, boasters, bringers up of evil things, disobedient to fathers and mothers,  31without understanding, covenant breakers, unloving, stubborn and merciless.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible

2 Peter 3:3-7
3This first understand, that there shall come in the last days mockers (in deceitfulness) which will walk after their own lusts  4and say: Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers died all things continue in the same estate wherein they were at the beginning.  5This they know not (and that willingly) how that the heavens a great while ago were, and the earth that was in the water, appeared up out of the water by the word of God:  6by the which things the world that then was perished overflowen with the flood.  7But the heavens verily and earth which are now, are kept by the same word in store, and reserved unto fire, against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible

Matthew 18:7
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
- King James Version

Matthew 18:7
Woe be unto the world because of evil occasions. It is necessary that evil occasions be given, nevertheless woe be to that man, by whom evil occasion cometh.
- Tyndale and friends Bible

Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
- King James Version

Matthew 16:23
Then turned he about, and said unto Peter: go after me Satan, thou offendest me, because thou perceivest not godly things: but worldly things.
- Tyndale and friends Bible

Matthew 26:24
The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
- King James Version

Matthew 26:24
The son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe be to that man, by whom the son of man shall be betrayed. It had been good for that man, if he had never been born.
- Tyndale and friends Bible

Luke 17:1
Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
- King James Version

Luke 17:1
Then said he to his disciples, it cannot be avoided, but that occasions of evil come. Nevertheless woe be to him thorow whom they come.
- Tyndale and friends Bible

2 Peter 3:5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
- King James Version

1 Timothy 6:3-12
3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;  4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,  5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.  6But godliness with contentment is great gain.  7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.  8And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.  9But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.  10For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.  11But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.  12Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.  
- King James Version

However, is the flat earth geocentric viewpoint any better if it doesn't acknowledge Jesus Christ by whom everything exists? No wonder the Lord allowed that the tares grow up together with the wheat regardless how intelligently strong or weak; till it produces something worthwhile for eternity.
Matthew 13:24-30
24Another similitude put he forth, unto them saying: The kingdom of heaven is like unto a man which sowed good seed in his field.  25But while men slept, there came his foe, and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.  26When the blade was sprung up, and had brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.  27The servants came to the householder, and said unto him. Sir sowest not thou good seed in thy close, from whence then hath it tares?  28 He said to them, the envious man hath done this. Then the servants said unto him: wilt thou then that we go and gather it?  29and he said, nay, lest while ye go about to weed out the tares, ye pluck up also with them the wheat by the roots:  30let both grow together till harvest come, and in time of harvest, I will say yea unto my reapers, gather ye first the tares, and bind them in sheaves to be brent: but gather the wheat into my barn.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack to fulfil his promise as some men count slackness: but is patient to us ward and would have no man lost, but would receive all men to repentance.
- Tyndale and friends Bible
Romans 9:22-32
22Even so, God willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, suffered with long patience the vessels of wrath, ordained to damnation,  23that he might declare the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had prepared unto glory:  24that is to say, us which he called, not of the jews only, but also of the gentiles.  25As he saith in Osee: I will call them my people which were not my people: and her beloved which was not beloved.  26And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said unto them: Ye are not my people, that there shall be called the sons of the living God.  27But Esaias crieth for Israel, though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet shall a remnant be saved.  28He finisheth the work verily and maketh it short in righteousness. For a short word will God make on earth.  29And as Esaias said before: Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us seed, we had been made as Zodoma, and had been likened to Gomorra.  30What shall we say then? we say that the gentiles which followed not righteousness, have overtaken righteousness I mean the righteousness which cometh of faith.  31But Israel which followed the law of righteousness, could not attain unto the law of righteousness.  32And wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith: but as it were by the works of the law. For they have stumbled at the stumbling stone.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible
Romans 11:32-34
32God hath wrapped all nations in unbelief, that he might have mercy on all.  33O the deepness of the abundant wisdom and knowledge off God: how incomprehensible are his judgements, and his ways unsearchable.  34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who was his counsellor?  
- Tyndale and friends Bible
Hebrews 11:6
but without faith it is unpossible to please him. For he that cometh to God, must believe that God is, and that he is a rewarder of them that seek him.
- Tyndale and friends Bible
2 Corinthians 1:24
Not that we be lords over your faith: but helpers of your joy. For by faith ye stand.
- Tyndale and friends Bible


Researching it (without the religious leaven mambo jumbo) for that real "Catholic" great example such as of John Wycliffe and William Tyndale (& many martyr witnesses who paved the godly "Universal" road for the reformation) regardless of differences in perspective, Latin or Greek viewpoints nevertheless, all must still accept the Hebraic Jewish reality that ultimately God is the one sovereign!
1 Corinthians 11:19
For there must be sects among you, that they which among you are perfect might be known.
- Tyndale and friends Bible

1 Timothy 4:1-7
1The spirit speaketh evidently that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, and shall give heed unto spirits of error,  2and devilish doctrine of them which speak false thorow hypocrisy, and have their consciences marked with an hot iron,  3forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with giving thanks, of them which believe, and know the truth,  4for all the creatures of God are good: and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:  5For it is sanctified by the word of God, and prayer.  6If thou shalt put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesu Christ which hast been nourished up in the words of the faith, and good doctrine, which doctrine thou hast continually followed.  7But cast away unghostly and old wives' fables. Exercise thyself unto godliness.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible


Seems the reformers were fighting against the same deception..

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John Calvin's Institutes of the christian relition book 1:5:11
11. Bright, however, as is the manifestation which God gives both of himself and his immortal kingdom in the mirror of his works, so great is our stupidity, so dull are we in regard to these bright manifestations, that we derive no benefit from them. For in regard to the fabric and admirable arrangement of the universe, how few of us are there who, in lifting our eyes to the heavens, or looking abroad on the various regions of the earth, ever think of the Creator? Do we not rather overlook Him, and sluggishly content ourselves with a view of his works? And then in regard to supernatural events, though these are occurring every day, how few are there who ascribe them to the ruling providence of God—how many who imagine that they are casual results produced by the blind evolutions of the wheel of chance? Even when under the guidance and direction of these events, we are in a manner forced to the contemplation of God (a circumstance which all must occasionally experience), and are thus led to form some impressions of Deity, we immediately fly off to carnal dreams and depraved fictions, and so by our vanity corrupt heavenly truth. This far, indeed, we differ from each other, in that every one appropriates to himself some peculiar error; but we are all alike in this, that we substitute monstrous fictions for the one living and true God—a disease not confined to obtuse and vulgar minds, but affecting the noblest, and those who, in other respects, are singularly acute. How lavishly in this respect have the whole body of philosophers betrayed their stupidity and want of sense? To say nothing of the others whose absurdities are of a still grosser description, how completely does Plato, the soberest and most religious of them all, lose himself in his round globe?   {Plato in Timaeos. (See also Cic. De Nat. Deorum, lib. 1 ; Plut. De Philos Placitis, lib. i.)} What must be the case with the rest, when the leaders, who ought to have set them an example, commit such blunders, and labour under such hallucinations? In like manner, while the government of the world places the doctrine of providence beyond dispute, the practical result is the same as if it were believed that all things were carried hither and thither at the caprice of chance; so prone are we to vanity and error. I am still referring to the most distinguished of the philosophers, and not to the common herd, whose madness in profaning the truth of God exceeds all bounds.

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Martin Luther's Lectures on Genesis Vol.I
Moses calls Heaven that entire watery mass in which the stars and the planets are borne along, like-wise the upper most region of the air. But that scheme of the spheres was thought out by later people for the purpose of teaching. Scripture knows nothing about them and simply says that the moon, the sun, and the stars were placed, not in individual spheres but in the firmament of heaven, below and above which heaven are the waters… We Christians must be different from the philosophers [astronomers] in the way we think about the causes of things. And if some are beyond our comprehension like those before us concerning the waters above the heavens, we must believe them rather than wickedly deny them or presumptuously interpret them in conformity with our understanding. (Martin Luther, Lectures on Genesis, Vol. 1)
*To see a drawing of Lutherʼs view of the cosmos that was printed inside Lutherʼs published translation of the Bible.


2 Corinthians 4:3-5
3If our Gospell be yet hid, it is hid among them that are lost,  4in whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest should shine unto them the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, which is the image of God,  5for we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and preach ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible

John 14:6
Jesus said unto him I am the way, the verity, and life. No man cometh unto the father, but by me.
- Tyndale and friends Bible

Yeah there's only one exceptional road being Christ Jesus that leads to God the Heavenly Father, yea even with the innumerable angels and creatures passionately in the faith of God:
Luke 22:37-43
37 I say unto you that yet, that which is written must be performed in me (Even with the wicked was he numbered) for those things which are written of me have an end.  38And they said: Lord, behold here are two swords. And he said unto them: it is enough.  39And he came out, and went as he was wont to mount Olivete. And the disciples followed him.  40And when he came to the place, he said to them: Pray lest ye fall into temptation.  41And he gat himself from them, about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,  42saying: Father if thou wilt, withdraw this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will; But thine be fulfilled.  43And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, comforting him.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible
Revelation 5:1-14
1And I saw in the right hand of him, that sat in the throne, a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.  2And I saw a strong angel which cried with a loud voice: Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?  3And no man in heaven nor in earth neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.  4And I wept much, because, no man was found worthy to open, and to read the book, neither to look thereon.  5And one of the seniors said unto me: weep not: Behold a lion being of the tribe of Juda, the root of David, hath obtained to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.  6And I beheld, and lo, in the midst of the seat, and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the seniors, stood a lamb as though he had been killed, which had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the spirits of God, sent into all the world.  7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the seat.  8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and twenty four seniors fell down before the lamb, having harps and golden vials full of odoures, which are the prayers of saints  9and they sung a new song saying: thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof, for thou wast killed, and hast redeemed us by thy blood, out of all kindreds, and tongues, and people, and nations,  10and hast made us unto our God, kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth.  11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels about the throne, and about the beasts and the seniors, and I heard thousand thousands,  12saying with a loud voice: Worthy is the lamb that was killed to receive power, and riches and wisdom, and strength, and honour and glory, and blessing.  13And all creatures, which are in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and in the sea, and all that are in them heard I saying: blessing, honour, glory, and power be unto him, that sitteth upon the seat, and unto the lamb for evermore.  14And the four beasts said: amen. And the twenty four seniors fell upon their faces, and worshipped him that liveth for evermore.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible


Otherwise you end fighting for the wrong cause:
Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
- King James Version

Revelation 20:9-10
9and they went up on the plain of the earth, and compassed the tents of the saints about, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God, out of heaven, and devoured them:  10and the devil that deceived them, was cast into a lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet were and shall be tormented day and night for ever more.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible

Ironic looking up where "breadth" is translated elsewhere gives the right idea about that plain width:
Ephesians 3:18
might be able to comprehend with all saints, what is that breadth and length, depth and height:
- Tyndale and friends Bible

Revelation 21:16
And the city was built four square, and the length was as large as the breadth of it, and he measured the city with the reed twelve thousand furlongs: and the length, and the breadth, and the height of it, were equal.
- Tyndale and friends Bible


That brings to attention:
Galatians 3:28
Now is there no jew, neither greek: there is neither bond, neither free: there is neither man, neither woman: for all are one thing in Christ Jesu.
- Tyndale and friends Bible
Philippians 2:6-12
6Which being in the shape of God, and thought it not robbery to be equal with God.  7Nevertheless he made himself of no reputation, and took on him the shape of a servant, and became like unto men, and was found in his apparel as a man.  8He humbled himself and became obedient unto the death, even the death of the cross.  9Wherefore God hath exalted him, and given him a name above all names:  10that in the name of Jesus should every knee bow, both of things in heaven, and things in earth and things under earth,  11and that all tongues should confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord unto the praise of God the father.  12Wherefore my dearly beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not when I was present only, but now much more in mine absence, even so perform your own health with fear and trembling.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible


Luke 21:24
And they shall fall on the edge of the sword. And they shall be led captive into all nations. And Jerusalem shall be trodden underfoot of the gentiles, until the time of the gentiles be fulfilled.
- Tyndale and friends Bible

Romans 11:1-12
1I say then: hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For even I verily am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, and of the tribe of Benjamin;  2God hath not cast away his people which he knew before. Other wot ye not what the scripture saith by the mouth of Helias, how he spake to God against Israel, saying:  3Lord they have killed thy prophets and digged down thine altars: and I am left only, and they seek my death.  4But what saith the answer of God to him again? I have reserved unto me seven thousand men which have not bowed their knees to baal.  5Even so at this time is there a remnant left thorow the election of grace.  6If it be of grace then is it not by the deserving of works. For then were favour no more favour. If it be by the deserving of works, then is there no favour. For then were deserving no deserving.  7What then? Israel hath not obtained that that he sought. No but yet the election hath obtained it. The remnant are blinded,  8according as it is written: God hath given them the spirit of unquietness: eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, even unto this day.  9And David saith: Let their table be made a snare to take them withal, and an occasion to fall, and a reward unto them.  10Let their eyes be blinded that they see not: and ever bow down their backs.  11I say then: Have they therefore stumbled that they should but fall only? God forbid: but thorow their fall is health happened unto the gentiles for to provoke them withal.  12Wherefore if the fall of them, be the riches of the world: and the minishing of them the riches of the gentiles: How much more should it be so if they all believed.  
- Tyndale and friends Bible
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